Confirmation of Uncapped Raids. Confirmation of a terrible decision.

[Rinsui]

A r50 is more advanced than a r30. How is anything you can accomplish at r30 anywhere near equal to what you can accomplish as a r50?

Huh? You do realize that challenge is a function of both your own and the respective content's level, right?
and

When I tell my friends that I beat my 8 year old at basketball, they don't go "OOOOOHHHH PWND THAT GIRL IN DA FACE!"

So you do agree that doing a LV 30 dungeon with the help of a LV 50 character should not be rewarded in any way.

Finally, we've reached an agreement.

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

Huh? You do realize that challenge is a function of both your own and the respective content's level, right?
and

So you do agree that doing a LV 30 dungeon with the help of a LV 50 character should not be rewarded in any way.

Finally, we've reached an agreement.

Come on, grow up. I'm not here trolling anyone and it would be appreciated if you kept your responses mature and relevant.

I want a REAL challenge, not one that is superficially imposed on me by way of a level cap.

[Rinsui]

What's less real about a LV 30 challenge for a LV 30 character than about a LV 50 challenge for a LV 50 character (both in a computer game). Your argumentation is simply... invalid. You ignore the basic definition of the term "challenge".

It's ok that you don't like to be scaled back to LV 30; but that does not mean the challenge is less "real".

But you didn't answer my question yet:
According to what you said before, you seem to agree that doing a LV 30 dungeon with the help of a LV 50 character should not be rewarded in any way. Or is there another way to interpret your statement? O.o/?

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

What's less real about a LV 30 challenge for a LV 30 character than about a LV 50 challenge for a LV 50 character (both in a computer game). Your argumentation is simply... invalid. You ignore the basic definition of the term "challenge".

It's ok that you don't like to be scaled back to LV 30; but that does not mean the challenge is less "real".

So what you're saying is that winning a r25 dungeon in a four man team is just as impressive as winning an 8 man r50 dungeon? That's balance to you? They must have changed the definition of balance from when I was in school then.

Nothing I said before had anything to do with reward and if that is what you got from it, you need to re-read it.

[Rentahamster]

So what you're saying is that winning a r25 dungeon in a four man team is just as impressive as winning an 8 man r50 dungeon? That's balance to you? They must have changed the definition of balance from when I was in school then.

What he's saying is that winning a R25 dungeon in a 4-man party at rank 25 is more impressive than winning a R25 dungeon in a 4-man party at rank 50.

Also, winning a R25 dungeon in a 4-man party at rank 25 is comparably impressive to winning a R50 dungeon in a 8-man party at rank 50.

[Rinsui]

They must have changed the definition of balance from when I was in school then

Challenge, not balance. Sorry I confused you.
If the LV 30 dungeon is relatively harder for a group of LV 25 players - well, you can guess the answer.

But you didn't answer my question yet:
According to what you said before, you seem to agree that doing a LV 30 dungeon with the help of a LV 50 character should not be rewarded in any way. Or is there another way to interpret your statement? O.o/?

Seems that, for some reason, he's avoiding that question...

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

What's less real about a LV 30 challenge for a LV 30 character than about a LV 50 challenge for a LV 50 character (both in a computer game). Your argumentation is simply... invalid. You ignore the basic definition of the term "challenge".

It's ok that you don't like to be scaled back to LV 30; but that does not mean the challenge is less "real".

But you didn't answer my question yet:
According to what you said before, you seem to agree that doing a LV 30 dungeon with the help of a LV 50 character should not be rewarded in any way. Or is there another way to interpret your statement? O.o/?

Challenge, not balance. Sorry I confused you.
If the LV 30 dungeon is relatively harder for a group of LV 25 players - well, you can guess the answer.

But you didn't answer my question yet:
According to what you said before, you seem to agree that doing a LV 30 dungeon with the help of a LV 50 character should not be rewarded in any way. Or is there another way to interpret your statement? O.o/?

Nothing I said before had anything to do with reward and if that is what you got from it, you need to re-read it.

[Perrin_Aybarra]

So what you're saying is that winning a r25 dungeon in a four man team is just as impressive as winning an 8 man r50 dungeon? That's balance to you? They must have changed the definition of balance from when I was in school then.

If the r30 (not 25) dungeon is designed to be challenging with a 4-man team and the r50 dungeon is designed to be challenging with an 8-man team, both of them are equally impressive and challenging yes. It all comes down the way it was designed no? Now if the r50 dungeon is completed by a group of 4 people but was designed to be a challenge with a group of 8.. now thats more impressive. If you beat content exactly the way it was designed, be it at 30 or 50, they are both equally impressive. If you beat content even more handicapped than it was designed that's more impressive.

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

What he's saying is that winning a R25 dungeon in a 4-man party at rank 25 is more impressive than winning a R25 dungeon in a 4-man party at rank 50.

Also, winning a R25 dungeon in a 4-man party at rank 25 is comparably impressive to winning a R50 dungeon in a 8-man party at rank 50.

If you think you are going to get the same credit for beating a 4-man rank 25 dungeon as you would for an 8-man rank 45 dungeon then you are kidding yourself.

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

If the r30 (not 25) dungeon is designed to be challenging with a 4-man team and the r50 dungeon is designed to be challenging with an 8-man team, both of them are equally impressive and challenging yes. It all comes down the way it was designed no? Now if the r50 dungeon is completed by a group of 4 people but was designed to be a challenge with a group of 8.. now thats more impressive. If you beat content exactly the way it was designed, be it at 30 or 50, they are both equally impressive. If you beat content even more handicapped than it was designed that's more impressive.

I'm sorry. You are kidding yourself on this one. No one gives you credit in WoW for running the Deadmines or whatever the hell it is called. It is a mid-level dungeon and you are going to get mid-level credit for beating it.