Retainers, confirmed, you have to pay for them.

[Mardel]

The standard sub is the usual/normal one (and you don't pay per character, you get the full bundle). The entry sub (the one with one character) is the one with a discount. It's differerent than being charged more.

How so? There is "entry" level iirc which is only 1 character per server @ 12.99/month standard is 14.99/month . So how would that be different than paying for extra retainers? This poses the same issue as the retainer "crisis" people are having right now, aka paying for an "advantage"

[Amberion]

How so? There is "entry" level iirc which is only 1 character per server @ 12.99/month standard is 14.99/month . So how would that be different than paying for extra retainers? This poses the same issue as the retainer "crisis" people are having right now.

Because a character slot is completely different from a retainer. Unless you can play your retainer and go fight Titan with it?

[Mardel]

Because a character slot is completely different from a retainer. Unless you can play your retainer and go fight Titan with it?

That's the whole point though. Retainers can't do anything important in game lol. Sure they can go farm stuff but then again if someone got an alt to 50 promptly they could just as easy use those 2 retainers to go farm for them. That retainer won't help people dodge them landslides.

Thus paying for the extra retainer is understandable because just from going from entry >> stand subscription, you only gain optional enhancements to game play.

[Gextiv]

How so? There is "entry" level iirc which is only 1 character per server @ 12.99/month standard is 14.99/month . So how would that be different than paying for extra retainers? This poses the same issue as the retainer "crisis" people are having right now, aka paying for an "advantage"

Okay, can I make an ALT right now and trade with my main--and no FC method shenanigans, please-- directly?

[Yshnal]

Because a character slot is completely different from a retainer. Unless you can play your retainer and go fight Titan with it?

Yeah, and also 8 character slots per server up to 40 in total (plus their inventories, armory, armoires, the two basic retainers, etc.) require more resources than two simple retainers. Not to mention what I stated, there's a difference between a discount and charging more. Keep in mind that the price on the standard sub is, well, the standard pricing for the large majority of P2P games. That's why both subs have the names they have.

And that's why the monthly extra for the two retainers (for each of them) is not seen as the difference between the entry and standard subs, coupled with the fact that even F2P MMOs with no sub charge you just once for extra inventory.

[mbncd]

I really dislike the ongoing money drain of it. People would probably kick up a fuss if retainers were a couple hundred dollars each but after a few years that is what they'd have paid for them if they got them. I think a one off (even expensive) purchase is much more appropriate than the subscription model. At least then there'd be a cap to it.

[Stanice]

I won't bother reading 12 (17 as I finished typing) pages of "oh it's just a minor thing, I don't mind"s and just voice my opinion.

Yes it's a minor thing, yes it's far from pay2win.

But unlike server transfers and phantasia, it does give players a small advantage over others who are not willing to pay for it in the form of capability to sell more items, obtain unique and other not so valuable stuff from ventures. In short, it's a very, very small step towards it but it still is.

Do I care? Slightly.


Also, it's not about the amount of money they're asking for, don't be dumb and try to justify the price please.

[Starlord]

Some of you think you are forced to pay 2 dollars for this optional service. Just don't use it!. Like some of you have said, don't pay the 2 bucks and speak with your wallet that you don't need nor want it. The game will still play the same way it has for 7 months now.

[Naunet]

That's the whole point though. Retainers can't do anything important in game lol.

Actually, retainers are going to be able to gather items that are only obtainable through ventures. We don't know how important those items are yet, but it's still not a good sign.

[Mardel]

Actually, retainers are going to be able to gather items that are only obtainable through ventures. We don't know how important those items are yet, but it's still not a good sign.

That's fine with me, probably some minion or something >.>; With the amount of friends you can build a community with, if an item was necessary for an upgrade I'm sure I could find someone who'd sell or even give me it >.>; Plus, you must remember that crafted gear will never be the best. So with that in mind the odds of the "unique items" being obtainable from retainer ventures being extremely valuable/important outside of vanity is low/next-to-none.

However, if I find myself strapped to get the unique i'll take a tank alt to 50 in like 2-3 days, and have the retainers on that account farm for me as well.Finally do not forget, these retainers require currency to be sent off venture wise. That itself causes a restriction of sorts as well.