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  1. #11
    Player Foo01's Avatar
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    Hakaze Kusaribe
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    Faerie
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    The "mistake" is that they put that 10% boost and 20% penalty on the cleric stance applicable to the SCHs, that should only apply to WHMs. If it was just a straight up swap, then there is no issue. It would be sensible and straighforward to put all point in INT and when you want to switch roles, you switch stances.
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    Wobble Wibblewobb
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    There isn't a big difference in healing on SCH with a full int build over MND.
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    Xaimera Zeal
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    Leviathan
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    Lancer Lv 64
    Quote Originally Posted by Wobble View Post
    There isn't a big difference in healing on SCH with a full int build over MND.
    well thats a relief! ^^ I can't wait to start lvling SCH and SMN .

    I guess ill go full INT then!

    Thanks!
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  4. #14
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    Leih Desahdi
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    I wish Summoner could cross-class Cleric Stance, because then you can just dump everything in MND when leveling up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themis View Post
    The issue is that some players are min/maxers.
    Yeah, and usually it's the min/maxers that are telling players like the OP that they're gimp if they don't put all 30 into INT or MND as appropriate.

    That said, +30 to either stat is not an insignificant percentage of a 50s' INT or MND so it's not easy to dismiss it; it's not like a case of, say, 0.1% which the min/maxers argue is huge when in fact it's entirely worthless, FFXI's +1 gear being a classic example of min/max hyperbole out of control.
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    Nestama Eynfoetsyn
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    Lamia
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    Samurai Lv 100
    MND affects: Physick, Succor and Adloquium.
    INT affects: Embrace and Whispering Dawn.

    So you're either gimping yourself somewhat or your fairy.
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  7. #17
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    ninthfantasy's Avatar
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    Lunaa Moon
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    Zodiark
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    Astrologian Lv 70
    I main SMN, and I usually heal on WHM, tried SCH a little but never got into it, but recently I'm curious and want to try it again. However, I really don't want to have to gimp my SMN (which I run coil T1-5 with weekly) and really don't want to be switching stats every week. Plus, no doubt I'll get bored of SCH again and just stick to WHM. Judging from this thread, it's probably safe to dabble on my SCH without switching all the stats around... I really wish they were separate though. :/
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  8. #18
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    N'hara Tia
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    Excalibur
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    Astrologian Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Foo01 View Post
    The "mistake" is that they put that 10% boost and 20% penalty on the cleric stance applicable to the SCHs, that should only apply to WHMs. If it was just a straight up swap, then there is no issue. It would be sensible and straighforward to put all point in INT and when you want to switch roles, you switch stances.
    It's not a mistake, because that's not the point of Cleric Stance.

    Cleric Stance doesn't exist so that Arcanists can cheat the bonus attribute points, it exists so that healers can have some semblance of damage so they can do solo content (like quests and story missions), because nearly ALL of their endgame gear is focused on MND.

    Quote Originally Posted by Penguinmayhem View Post
    I wish Summoner could cross-class Cleric Stance, because then you can just dump everything in MND when leveling up.
    See above. Plus, SMN's endgame gear (and a couple of their leveling gear pieces) are entirely INT based. They have no need for Cleric Stance.
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    Last edited by Nahara; 03-19-2014 at 08:53 PM.



  9. #19
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    Wilan Serulia
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    Ragnarok
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Foo01 View Post
    Do you ever get to a point where your int is so much more than your mind stat, such that it makes sense to use the cleric stance for healing duty?
    Nope. Cleric stance reduces your healing potency by 20%, beside swapping INT and MND. It's meant to be a boost if you want to deal some additional damage as a healer, not to compensate builds.
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  10. #20
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    Quichy Sturmbruch
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    Ragnarok
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidvideo View Post
    Also... I try telling Eos to tank like Titan-egi, but she says "noooo"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCRDskZrUMU


    this dog doesnt say "no" he says "ooooouch"..... disgusting video.

    this is an animal.. and not a human saying "No"..


    but well.. offtopic.
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    Last edited by Tonkra; 03-19-2014 at 09:35 PM.

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