Thank You! Yoshida-san for making R50 The Dzemael Darkhold Dungeon NOT EASY :)

[Richard]

Those two should never be mentioned, as they were designed around gimmicks that no one figured out for a long time. It'd be like trying to stroke your e-peen over pre-nerf C'thun.
This. Go do Firefighter or Alone in the Darkness at the appropriate gear levels and then try to tell me XI's encounters are hard. >.>

You can't even compare pre-abyssea XI difficulty to WoW. They are two completely different styles of endgame. If you have a full wipe on Kings, Wyrms, ToAU/WoTG HNM then another LS got your kill and you had to try again the next reset.
If you full wipe in a 25 man raid you resurrect and try again until you call it quits. WoW is MUCH more forgiving of mistakes than XI which when looking at it that way, XI was definitely more time consuming and difficult.

[DGMart]

You can't even compare pre-abyssea XI difficulty to WoW. They are two completely different styles of endgame. If you have a full wipe on Kings, Wyrms, ToAU/WoTG HNM then another LS got your kill and you had to try again the next reset.
If you full wipe in a 25 man raid you resurrect and try again until you call it quits. WoW is MUCH more forgiving of mistakes than XI which when looking at it that way, XI was definitely more time consuming and difficult.

You also got 10+ bosses compared to 1 with an insane amount of HP and defense. Only thing 11 had going for it is you have to learn to play your job well if you want to fight in a HNM group pre-aby. Which is great! I love playing with players who know what they are doing. Fights take longer and are more stressful especially when you have some other shell watching over you but that does not make it harder. What it should be doing is bring tension to the battlefield which in turn should make you more accurate in your decision making. That creates good players over mediocre ones

But then again I guess difficulty can vary depending on who is behind the monitor.

[Kiara]

Everyone in this thread completely missed an important line and some important facts.

#1


Specialized party? This sounds like a hint towards new job system to me. If 1.18 housed new job system + dungeons this would be a massive step forward.

Hope this brightens people's outlook on 1.18 a little bit more.

Hi Richard,

Good point.

I noticed that as well, but didn't know what to make of it.

There was one post (was it from a forum veteran who translated it for us from the JP side?) that I thought mentioned them pushing a few of the changes for the Job System *ahead of time* for 1.18, in anticipation of the R50 Dungeon, so maybe that's what they're talking about?

We'll see soon.

[Reika]

Watch it get solo'd by 8 THMs while they're watching anime.

I knew this post would be Peregrine bait before i even scrolled up....

[Kiara]

WOW is not incredibly hard either but the one thing that it has is variety especially in Hard Mode. Most of the bosses are different and are not dumbed down tank and spank NM's with millions of HP that takes you 2+ hours to kill. Ah I still remember the good ole days when a linkshell fought AV for 18 hours and it ended up doing benediction lol. Good times!

Hi DGMart,

Yikes! Absolute Virtue doing Benediction after 18 Hours of fighting it?! So did you all keep going, or give up?

[Moth]

Am I the only one intending to do the r30 dungeon at r25 as intended? or is everyone just gonna steamroll it on their r50s first try?

I think i'm just gonna steamroll it over and over again till I get what I want. Sorry everybody else

[Petori]

I'd rather thank for delicious cake after I've tried it.

[Reika]

I think i'm just gonna steamroll it over and over again till I get what I want. Sorry everybody else

Lol. I've been keeping my lancer and conjorer below R30 in prep for these R30 dungeons. hells to the no do I plan to steamroll it at r50 :P.

[Reika]

I'd rather thank for delicious cake after I've tried it.

The Cake Is A Lie

[Gidonoidon_Sur]

I know there is probably 48,093 threads on patch 1.18 but I don't care to dig them up. That said, are we pretty sure of what exactly is and isn't going to be in 1.18? Ok, 2 dungeons for sure. Auto-attack, got it. Is that it? Not being cynical just curious if it has been clearly establish what is going to be included.