absolutely ridiculous - cant even damage some healers.

[Wombats17]

Just wow at the pvp in this game , 50% of matches both dps and the tank are beating on the healer and cant even make a dent in their health , and please don't say l2p - this is happening in far too many matches to be co-incidence.

Someone care to explain what on earth is going on - this is the most ridiculous pvp ive ever seen in an mmo.

So the more you play the more skills you get the more skills you get the more sturdy you are. BK is right in the sense that is is somewhat L2P but its also being new to it. 30 n 40 que people run around with their heads cut off and also how do you know 3 people are focusing the healer? Also is the healer Attuned? Are they in their healer puddle? These are the things you have to look for and if 3 people are attacking the healer and are not damaging him/her... Those 3 people are reallllly reallllllly bad.

[BkSandaddy]

Half of me wants to help and give people advice on how to play better in wolves den, while the other half of me finds this pvp to be extremely easy to figure out. If you are having trouble figuring out HOW TO DO DMG, then anything I say will be of no help.

[oddbod]

Theres something seriously wrong with the gear balancing - in the 30 bracket some dude was in absolutely crazy gear - this is completely stupid - I play as my level 31 lancer and these dudes are in mad 50 pvp gear - how the hell is a new player supposed to have any chance - I really thought this was the best mmo ever until I started this utterly ridiculous pvp - and I love pvp - I had 600k kills in wow and its like going up against top ranking arena players in greens.

[oddbod]

Rofl - just played a match in the 30's bracket where every member of the other team must of been very high rank with awesome gear they wrecked us in less than a minute - why are level 50's allowed to que against new lower levels - the system just doesn't make sense and a lot of people in my teams are saying the same thing - why are such geared players allowed to fight newbies so to speak - its very disheartening and some people are even quiting the game because of it , please help me understand how the hell to fight people that geared

[Kaleido]

high level gear doesnt make you better in 30s/40s. You WANT gear that is for that level so it doesn't get hurt by level sync and you can get extra stats via melds etc. Pvp ranks for abilities do make a huge difference though...as does not being an idiot or having idiotic people on your team.

If a tank runs over to me and the first thing he does is stun...yeah I'm gonna laugh and watch them not kill me forever. If someone besides the tank stuns me...yeah I'm gonna keep laughing.

[Potatoes]

Rofl - just played a match in the 30's bracket where every member of the other team must of been very high rank with awesome gear they wrecked us in less than a minute - why are level 50's allowed to que against new lower levels - the system just doesn't make sense and a lot of people in my teams are saying the same thing - why are such geared players allowed to fight newbies so to speak - its very disheartening and some people are even quiting the game because of it , please help me understand how the hell to fight people that geared

Hello first time

Morale actually doesn't make a difference in 30 and 40 level pvp and any higher level gear is synced down to 30 or 40. From what I understand people in crafted gear for the appropriate level with materia melds will actually have better stats than people in level synced gear.

[Alistaire]

The only way to twink below 50 is to get the lvl 40/ilvl 43 gear from leves @ whitebrom/camp bluefog. Morale isn't retained on synced gear.

[MiiyoAoi]

I was gonna give an explaination fully on healers but I'm a healer and that'd only hurt my own chances of winning. I'll just say it's very easy to kill a healer. Especially Sch outside of rank 50 with no Lustrate. You just need to see and understand what pvp abilities it has. Get the chain on a healer and stun/zerg with all cooldowns popped and it's not the easiest to get out of that. Also, go kill someone else then if it's too hard to kill a healer. Ranged deeps are squishy without heals.

CD's have to be earned. Just as you THOUGHT it wasn't fair you were being overpowered by omfgGeared ppl, which was incorrect, it's not fair some newbie can come in and own them after they've put in time grinding out pvp. Just like everyone else, tough it out and take your losses until you can afford pvp skills and gear.

[Megido]

Well if the healer dies, the game is 99% over. Thus the healer cant die too quickly or games would be extremely short. The healer also obviously gears for survivability, so he should be somewhat..survivable. But not unbeatable if you're in i70 gear. Either way you might want to go for a dps first, he will take more damage than a healer thus make a healer use his cooldowns quicker.

If you cant zerg a healer down in 30 or 40 you're doing it wrong though.

[Braxy]

Rofl - just played a match in the 30's bracket where every member of the other team must of been very high rank with awesome gear they wrecked us in less than a minute - why are level 50's allowed to que against new lower levels

1. Their level 50 gear, whether i70 or i90, makes absolutely no difference in lv30 and lv40 pvp-- Morale doesn't factor in, so they lose the secondary stat and are actually at a DISADVANTAGE against someone wearing pve gear (or level appropriate gear). If you twink out lv40 gear (with 5 materia), it's actually better than using i90 pvp gear that syncs down.

2. However, they probably have all of their pvp skills, which makes it much easier to take care of bad players.

3. A bard that can't kill a healer is bad. You have the EASIEST methods of interrupting casts, LoSing anything they can throw at you for defense, keeping DOTs up, etc. If you're not popping a Mega DEX potion and hiding back and forth behind pillars/walls, you can't complain that the healer is "too good," it's that you don't know what you're doing.

Also, assuming the healer is kiting, and further assuming that your melee dps is also chasing after them along with the tank, and you not far behind, you put yourselves in an EXTREMELY vulnerable position against a SMN or BLM (SMN can bane DoTs onto all of you and pick you off one by one, and BLM can AoE sleep you all).

4. Maybe it's not entirely your fault, though. The tank should be putting the ability that decreases healing potency... but if it's a WHM, Cure 2 really burns through that. And if it's a SCH, Lustrate. If you're partnered with a PLD, they should be very careful about when to use their Stun rotation (after the healer "wastes" Purify) and if it's a MRD, they should likewise wait until after Purify/Attunement to blow their cooldowns (If it's a warrior, tell them to GTFO and learn how to play MRD in pvp). Against a WHM, it's more likely the tank will get kited while the WHM recasts Regen. Against a SCH, once you burn through 6 Lustrates, it's an easy win if you can separate them from the fairy. All this provided everyone knows how to play their class.

5. L2Play (I wasn't going to say this until you showed your complete lack of understanding of the pvp system by complaining about i90 pvp gear in lv30 bracket...)