Wow! We have come a long way!

[AlexNiculaie]

Like many in this community, if it isn't ARR, it's a terrible, terrible MMORPG, especially if it happens to be XI and XIV 1.23 and there was absolutely nothing good about it.

I think the exact same can be said of those who fanboy over XI and 1.23. There are pros and cons to both styles, neither is by nature better. It's all just personal preference, and there are people on both sides who tend to forget that.

[SirSaber]

Exactly, 1.XX combat had a sort of.... rhythm to it, it's kinda hard to explain lol. And it was all about using smaller abilities to build your TP up for the stronger attacks, not like ARR where you are just burning through an already full meter.

There's a lot to like about ARR, i'm going nowhere. But had there are a LOT of things I miss/prefered about 1.XX, combat is one of them.

What I miss about 1.XX is the Music and the Graphics ( tho my PC could not tolerate them at the time ).
But I really miss the music, really, really, miss it, specially Thanalan at night.

I do not miss combat, it was too slow for me, I did not feel a rhythm like you, I felt frustrated to have to wait so long to execute a skill.
But that's just me ... and apparently allot of others too.

I think the exact same can be said of those who fanboy over XI and 1.23. There are pros and cons to both styles, neither is by nature better. It's all just personal preference, and there are people on both sides who tend to forget that.

Exactly, both had/have good and bad sides but people only look at their own opinions :/

[Tupsi]

I think the exact same can be said of those who fanboy over XI and 1.23. There are pros and cons to both styles, neither is by nature better. It's all just personal preference, and there are people on both sides who tend to forget that.

I see far more hate just mentioning SE's previous MMO/Previous FFXIV version, especially when said people even list the pros/cons though.

[Doo]

I see far more hate just mentioning SE's previous MMO/Previous FFXIV version, especially when said people even list the pros/cons though.

Because this population has a lot more WoW (or a clone of it) players than FFXI players who this game was catered more towards.

[Sheer]

Because this population has a lot more WoW (or a clone of it) players than FFXI players who this game was catered more towards.

Well, the good news is that people are looking for something different, which may act as incentive for up-and-coming MMO developers. But the bad news is that, if a developer does find that "one-shoe-fits-all" MMO again, we're just going to repeat the cycle. Personally, I'm okay with players from different MMO backgrounds fanning out.

[Xatsh]

Because this population has a lot more WoW (or a clone of it) players than FFXI players who this game was catered more towards.

Basically this.

More people playing this game I feel hated XI then loved it. Outside my guild you mention XI people usually start talking about how horrible it was and how much better WoW/GW2/and insert almost any other mmo that is not XI was then XI. So should not be surprising people prefer the mainstream wow style. Most of them are from wow or similar games.

[Duelle]

More people playing this game I feel hated XI then loved it. Outside my guild you mention XI people usually start talking about how horrible it was and how much better WoW/GW2/and insert almost any other mmo that is not XI was then XI. So should not be surprising people prefer the mainstream wow style. Most of them are from wow or similar games.

I'm amused to see some people pining for 1.0 when I can bet dollars to donuts they were the same individuals who kept going on and on about how 1.0 did not feel like a final fantasy game.

1.0's original combat was not a bad idea per se. TOR did the "no auto-attack" thing and that actually worked because there was synergy between resource-generating abilities and what other attacks and skills you could use (to my recollection the argument against the no auto attack design was "OMG I CANT TYPE WHILE FIGHTING STUFF WTH QQQQQQQQ"). Stamina as a battle pacing mechanism pushed things too far, and would have forced stamina recovery/haste (I have a feeling Tanaka wanted to use haste as a stat to improve stamina regen) down everyone's throats at some point, IMO.

What the battle system in 1.0 lacked was a LOT of polish. It was slugging between intentionally being slow as well as the horrible latency between the client and the servers in Japan. Random skill gains to increase weapon rank was probably the worst offender of the lot, because it intentionally decreased leveling to something even slower than snail's pace (in before "omg i luv spending 10 hours to get only 5% of exp to next level!1!one"). The fact that you were expected to grind forever and a day for traits didn't help (guild marks for traits were RNG generated, and with leves being RNG generated as well you had RNG on top of RNG...), and the obvious lack of synergy between abilities didn't help.

I'll still argue that The Secret World did what Tanaka & Co. were trying to do with 1.0. It's a polished version of what we saw when the original FFXIV launched.