Why do people hate on tanky healers?

[kukurumei]

lol, srsly?

The difference between a near naked sch and a i50sch and full i90 sch is about 100-80hp phys and a non rouse pet of about 40hp. The difference of succor is less about 40hp.

Lustre is not effected as it's always the same.

the crit difference of aqu is more or less about 5% difference, which matters even less if you only swap accessories (only hero stuff have crit).

So really a sch would be loosing around 5% healing power or less if they are using lustres.

A sch even in cleric stance can still heal around 160 succor and 500 aqu/physick fyi. As oppose to around 300ish succor and 700ish phys/qu. Basically Sch suck at raw healing power no matter what.

They would drop very little just swaping accessories, beyond that. Since until i90 crafting comes, you really can't do anything with vit. Though I would hate to loose all that piety, since one of the main advantage of sch is playing the long ball in the healing game.

in Ifrit ex for example, other then the healers dying, only the nail phase 3 do you really need any healing power. You can just keep casting phys/cure1 through phase 1 and 2 and be perfectly fine.

You really don't have the option of doing anything as a sch for burst hits, without a whm's cure2 coming to save the day. Even combining embrace with phys/phys, if a tank is getting high in stacks, the content is really meant for 2 healers. They won't live very long with or without all an extra 100hp or so cure power.

There is just no way to pop a 3k heal as a sch, like a whm can.

[PArcher]

SNIP

Ugh, I don't play SCH and I know how just wrong this whole thing is.

Physic = Cure. Nothing more, nothing less. So if a SCH has only a 100hp difference with Physic between i50 and i90...same goes for WHM and Cure.

Crits always add 50%. If Aldo crits, not only does it cure for 50% more, the shield is double that; I've had crit shields of over 3K on my WAR, without Convalescence up.

Succor =/= Medica. Yes, the heal is worse, but the heal + shield is about the same as Medica's heal. You use Succor before a hit, Medica after.

Lustrate is instant and heals for 25% hp. You can use 2 (maybe even all 3, but not 100% sure on that) in the time it takes to cast one Cure 2. And before a big hit, you use Adlo to reduce incoming damage.


EDIT: And i've hit my post-limit due to all the good stuff with the new video.

Anyway, I'm getting the feeling kukurrmei just doesn't know how to play SCH (maybe trying to play SCH like a WHM, which is just a fail), and/or has never played with a good SCH before.

I've heard many times of SCH solo-healing Titan EX (have yet to hear of WHM doing this. Not that it isn't possible, I just haven't heard of it yet), and, from what I see on my server, SCH are preferred to solo-heal Garuda EX. There is a reason for this...


EDIT 2: Overcure? What? All that is is a proc off Cure 2 to half the cost of Cure 3. You also completely forget all the healing the Fairy does (which can make all Physics like Cure 2), including Eos's one ability that is essentially Divine Seal...

[KiraVaela]

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Did I really just read bunch of random bullshit regarding gear that would apply both to Sch and Whm only to find out that whm is able to pull 3k heal?

[kukurumei]

Ugh, I don't play SCH and I know how just wrong this whole thing is.

Physic = Cure. Nothing more, nothing less. So if a SCH has only a 100hp difference with Physic between i50 and i90...same goes for WHM and Cure.

Divine Seal, overcure, etc. Whms excel at the healing multipler, Sch don't.

You can mnd up to the max, and a sch's effectiveness will only drop slightly.

People like their epeen, but content is cleared just as easily. heck Bikini runs for fun have easily done that.

Did I really just read bunch of random bullshit regarding gear that would apply both to Sch and Whm only to find out that whm is able to pull 3k heal?

After garuda EM, everything is about burst heals. 3k heals is where it's at.

As a sch I phys 90% of the time, because nothing else matters but my mp pool and the critical phases. I can Aqu all day and still not make a difference without a whm riding in with those big heals, for the later stacks.

[KiraVaela]

After garuda EM, everything is about burst heals. 3k heals is where it's at.

As a sch I phys 90% of the time, because nothing else matters but my mp pool and the critical phases. I can Aqu all day and still not make a difference without a whm riding in with those big heals, for the later stacks.

You are playing your SCH totally wrong mate, sorry. Since you seem to be set strongly in your opinions I will not argue with you anymore. Good luck!

[kukurumei]

You are playing your SCH totally wrong mate, sorry. Since you seem to be set strongly in your opinions I will not argue with you anymore. Good luck!

That's fine, because content haven't failed yet. Everything goes smoother when a whm stops acting like a sch and a sch stops acting like a whm.

A sch's job is to preshield and top people off, while a whm's job is to come riding in when things get bad.

A whm without cure potency is like a sch that tries to heal everything. It's just wasting each other's CDs.

[KiraVaela]

That's fine, because content haven't failed yet. Everything goes smoother when a whm stops acting like a sch and a sch stops acting like a whm.

A sch's job is to preshield and top people off, while a whm's job is to come riding in when things get bad.

A whm without cure potency is like a sch that tries to heal everything. It's just wasting each other's CDs.

Alright, you have my "like" and we can love each other now.

[Amaret]

1. This thread is about TANKY WHM / healer crap
2. 2 Sentence disqualified you about being taken serious:

The difference between a near naked sch and a i50sch and full i90 sch is about 100-80hp phys and a non rouse pet of about 40hp. The difference of succor is less about 40hp.

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As a sch I phys 90% of the time, because nothing else matters but my mp pool and the critical phases..

3. You totally ignored the fairy and mitigation.

[Arkine]

Who needs a tanky healer when you have a tanky tank?

[Yumi_umi]

1. This thread is about TANKY WHM / healer crap
2. 2 Sentence disqualified you about being taken serious:



and



3. You totally ignored the fairy and mitigation.

This guy makes sense, listen to him.