Another "they quit" thread

[XiaoliVorgan]

It's a common misconception that if your product has a high buy in but low retention that everything is ok because people are still buying it. But what happens when you exhast your resource of new customers?

I understand your point, however I think I keep getting misunderstood here. I'm not talking about the purchase of the game here. I'm not talking about the purchase of the game and a couple months of sub. I'm talking about new players who get hooked and remain. How did you get started on this series? As a vetern? The veterns who remained in 1.0 still didn't keep the game from dying out. The game was put out in a bad state. This version imo may be better (I can't speak on the differences, since I didn't play 1.0) but I'm willing to bet if the same group of 1.0 players stuck with this game, and no new potential veterns (new players) come in, it'd be in a plot buried next to 1.0.

I don't really see a point in a casual vs hardcore in this conversation because both groups have many different meanings, especially since if we were to consider veterns the hardcore, maybe 1.0 wouldnt have fizzled out and their payments could have funded better development but that didn't happen.

Also, as many games as there are out there, it's hard for any game to not lose people. If this were the only game out then it would be different but there will always be another game, the next hot entertainment.

I'm having a hard time understanding how people forget that they were new at some point.. you aren't born a vetern on any game. (unless of course you're 1.0 coming to 2.0 but thats neither here nor there, since this is supposedly "a new game")

I get the feeling you've played this game or some version of it for awhile. I could be wrong, anyway if I am, lets pretend. You started off as a new player when Final Fantasy came out, here you are now.


I think the stigma on new players is because new players come in all shapes and sizes for all different reasons. Some come to check it out, some come because they were gifted the game, some actually buy the game and play it for years and years, turning into a vetern. I'm actually talking about those people, I'm talking about you too, if you're a vetern because no matter how you try to dress it up, at some point you too were NEW.

Reponses to my posts sound like people have the idea that all new players are here to just tinker and move on. If thats the case then the game is already screwed and we need to start making funeral arrangements if we're to survive by just the veterns.

People are going to leave, veterns are going to leave, new players are going to leave. It just happens. Life happens, new games come out, subscriptions get turned off, people quit games all together, people make families and can't spend as much time in game anymore, content runs out,. it just happens.

Many people have said it, I'll also say it, there will NEVER be enough content in a game to keep EVERYONE happy and prevent people from unsubbing. Hell, even the producer hasn't finished all there is in the game yet and I'm sure he's got the power to god mode it. It's sad that people are leaving but thats the way the cookie crumbles. Happens in all games.

At any rate, we will get to see how things unfold as they are, with March 27th around the corner. Thanks for responses.

[Doo]

People are going to leave, veterns are going to leave, new players are going to leave. It just happens. Life happens, new games come out, subscriptions get turned off, people quit games all together, people make families and can't spend as much time in game anymore, content runs out,. it just happens.

Happens in all games.

It's the circleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee of lifeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Yes it happens in all games but some a lot sooner than others. If your old players are leaving at an alarming rate, then most likely new players aren't going to get hook for long. I.E FFXI vs some random F2P mmo.

[Bizniztyme]

It's the circleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee of lifeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Yes it happens in all games but some a lot sooner than others. If your old players are leaving at an alarming rate, then most likely new players aren't going to get hook for long. I.E FFXI vs some random F2P mmo.

With the amount of games out these days and new ones coming out all the time, there is no way any game will keep alot of people long time, those days are over.

[XiaoliVorgan]

It's the circleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee of lifeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Yes it happens in all games but some a lot sooner than others. If your old players are leaving at an alarming rate, then most likely new players aren't going to get hook for long. I.E FFXI vs some random F2P mmo.

I think the issue with that is, this game is unlike the others due to it being re-released and then getting to transfer basically completed characters over. That was a nice ode to the veterns, and it might have seemed like a good idea but it probably killed it for them at the same time due to the issue of not having enough content for those who have already had a 50 at launch. It's why alot of people made new characters despite having a character brought over. I wonder if it would have been different if they hadn't brought finished characters over. Probably not, cause there will always be people who zip to the end asap.

[Doo]

Probably not, cause there will always be people who zip to the end asap.

No need to zip to the end because 1-50 are tutorials.