This game is like Final Fantasy XI pre Chains of Promathia

[Azrael]

The majority of the players did not do coil or extremes, because they either don't have a 50, are not that far into the Game yet, or simply can't beat it.

Or simply because you don't need them to get the best gear in the game, again.
I bet there would be more active linkshells trying to beat coil if 90 gear wouldn't be buyable by boring points.

I used to be an hardcore gamer in every MMO i have ever played (FFXI, WoW vanilla, lolgw2, ecc.) I simply don't feel the need to be an hardcore player here in FFXIV.

You can have the best gear in the game like every hardcore player that raids coil (aside from the weapon..that gives +2 dmg compared to a lolrelic farmed in 8 hours), so I wouldn't feel really well rewarded for putting so much effort wiping in coil and beating content, that's why I don't take it that serious even if I got the spirit of a raider.

[Fumijj_Gah]

The majority of the players did not do coil or extremes, because they either don't have a 50, are not that far into the Game yet, or simply can't beat it.

Majority of players don't have a 50? I don't think so, it's 2 full days playtime to make a 50, even fate parties around are just 10% than first 2 months: also, there's lot of 1.0 players with already all 50s jobs. If they had no plans for end game at first year of ARR, they could just remove 1.0 characters then, because a legacy player has nothing to do right now. Or, at least, they could make coil free with no limit and il. 95-100. They already scammed legacy players with luminaries, since they're useless and you can get AF just finishing last craft quest. I just stopped to use my legacy character months ago and playing with a new one since there was nothing to do.

[Fumijj_Gah]

To make a lv. 75 job on FFXI even after 2 years from japanese release it took 7-8 months, at least. It had a sense. Instead, FFXIV pushing players to 50 quickly with no end game. Everything is casual, teleports, craft, myth points, CT...

[Seif]

Chains was magical experience. No that's really all I had to add to this convo.

I hope the story of XIV can make the characters seem more important and human that way in the future. Now there's a bit too much lore exposition posing for my taste and not enough of that melancholic ff personality.

[Nero]

Majority of players don't have a 50? I don't think so,

That's the thing.. you don't think so.



Its a couple month old, but the percentages hardly change when a game gets older. They usually stay stable and while you have more people with 50's, you also have way more new people.

it's 2 full days playtime to make a 50, even fate parties around are just 10% than first 2 months: also, there's lot of 1.0 players with already all 50s jobs.

It's 2 days for someone going straight after it, it took me 2 weeks for arcanist simply because i just leveld by quests and i was not in a hurry to get it to 50. Just that you can level to 50 in 2 days, does not mean people actually do that.

If they had no plans for end game at first year of ARR, they could just remove 1.0 characters then, because a legacy player has nothing to do right now.

Dude i log in daily for 3-4 hours at least, i had all jobs at 50 in 1.0, all luminaries and so on.. dont tell me Legacy Players have nothing to do. That is everyonse choice, if you play the Game or get narrow-minded about a certain piece of the Content and ignore the rest.

To make a lv. 75 job on FFXI even after 2 years from japanese release it took 7-8 months, at least. It had a sense. Instead, FFXIV pushing players to 50 quickly with no end game. Everything is casual, teleports, craft, myth points, CT...

I got my first 75 within 4 weeks. Same Statement you did before.. while it took you 7-8 month, does not mean it was not possible to be faster. And like i've said... just because you "can" be faster, does not mean everyone will/want to go faster.

[Bigpurpleharness]

I got my first 75 within 4 weeks..

Just throwing this out there, but 4 weeks is post AU at best. CoP and RoZ, I highly doubt it. Post AU when 10k+ birds were a thing 55+, and meripos could net you 30k/hour, sure. Pre AU when a KP Bones party was considered amazing? No way. Not unless you played for over 12 hours per day and never had to wait on an invite, ever. Which even tanks/healers had to wait often in that game with the LFP system. Heck, back then killing an EP mob only gave 15exp, and that was also *before* they nerfed the total exp it took to level.

Then you're going to want to take on the time it takes to do all 5 LBs, which was lengthy unless you had other 75's at your beck and call. But a legit, back when everyone was levelling and you'd 12 man LBs? Nah.

EDIT: Oh, and unless you were gimp you had to level your sub to 37. And chances are, you had to level it's sub to 18. And that's still assuming you didn't want to level anything but WHM/MNK/WAR/BLM/RDM/THF. (I almost didn't list THF as /NIN was nigh-mandatory for them since forever)

[Azrael]

shameful wall of lies

lol you reported a graph dated 24th september, you got it from here http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/pr/blog/000506.html
trying to make a point posting something 6 months old? guess ARR when came out?

I got a full 50, yes I got nothing to do besides the monday day, don't tell us the dailies are filling the game please, it take 30 minutes to complete them all, are you serious or trolling? really if you need 3-4 hours to complete them you should review your gameplay

You clearly never played old style ffxi, it was clearly impossible to get a 75 within 4 weeks with all the chocobo quests, sub job to level, airship pass, genkai, af quests, money for gear, and so on. If you leveled post abyssea that doesn't count and you don't know what you are talking about, you don't even know what ffxi was

[Bigpurpleharness]

You clearly never played old style ffxi, it was clearly impossible to get a 75 within 4 weeks with all the chocobo quests, sub job to level, airship pass, genkai, af quests, money for gear, and so on. If you leveled post abyssea that doesn't count and you don't know what you are talking about, you don't even know what ffxi was

Thing is, I could see someone skipping rank missions (So no airship), maybe even skipping the gyashl green quest (No chocobo), and we could even argue he had a friend funnel him funds for gear, and AF in that game was hit or miss, so I could see him skipping that until 75. But sheer levelling of your main and subs and LBs man... 4 weeks, no way, not pre-AU. Post AU it's still quick, I guess, and post-WotG I'd say that's about right.

Abyssea I won't mention. 8 hours was all that was needed then. lol

[Fumijj_Gah]

That's the thing.. you don't think so.



Its a couple month old, but the percentages hardly change when a game gets older. They usually stay stable and while you have more people with 50's, you also have way more new people.

What, this is a super old graphic posted at the release... the new players are actually just gil seller.

It's 2 days for someone going straight after it, it took me 2 weeks for arcanist simply because i just leveld by quests and i was not in a hurry to get it to 50. Just that you can level to 50 in 2 days, does not mean people actually do that.

Two weeks or two days doesn't matter, game is out since months ago it's not anymore a new game now.


(2nd post coming...)

[Fumijj_Gah]

Dude i log in daily for 3-4 hours at least, i had all jobs at 50 in 1.0, all luminaries and so on.. dont tell me Legacy Players have nothing to do. That is everyonse choice, if you play the Game or get narrow-minded about a certain piece of the Content and ignore the rest.

3-4 hours daily is a really poor playtime for a MMORPG, hardcore player usually play (play, not chat) over 7-8 hours per day.
Even that, 3-4 hours per day is too much for this content. Coil cap / CT and primals clears take max 2 days per week, it means you have to log just for 20 minutes per day for the rest of week if you're going to do dailies (useless after the mount, but still...).