This game is like Final Fantasy XI pre Chains of Promathia

[Velhart]

Quoted for truth. Expecting someone to reply with "time sink" argument. Well guess what, welcome to an MMO. Are you sure you're playing the right genre?

The irony behind this statement is that MMO's didn't get popular at all or become a genre till they became more accessible and less on the time sinks.

Let me ask, why should I take years to obtain a relic weapon? Hardcore to take forever to just get one thing? It isn't rewarding, it is just "For crying out loud, finally I don't have to do this crap anymore."

I won't defend FFXIV, but making gated content and time sinks like FFXI is an even worse solution. It is basically asking to lose your subscribers and become a niche game. But hey, at least the mass minority of players will be happy, right?

[Azrael]

Eh? you know that the vast Majority has not cleared T5, or did not even touch Coil yet at all? Same goes for Extreme Primals. Last official Number of even taking part in Coil was below 10%, so how is that exactly "a great chunk" and "cleared most, if not all"?

That's just because any casual player can get full 90 gear without stepping a foot inside coil/extreme fights, not worth the effort aside from the glory.

[Fumijj_Gah]

Coil > the rest. Equip from myth could be il 80 and not 90. Even that, coil limit is ridiculous: you can't stop me to farm my end game gear just because there's no enough content around.

[Nero]

That's just because any casual player can get full 90 gear without stepping a foot inside coil/extreme fights, not worth the effort aside from the glory.

That has nothing to do with people not having done coil or extreme yet. <_< A lot people simply did not made it that far "yet".

[Fumijj_Gah]

That has nothing to do with people not having done coil or extreme yet. <_< A lot people simply did not made it that far "yet".

You need to receive a better reward to convince you to move your ass for coil and extreme instead of afk in Mor Dhona with your full myth 90. That's the point.
If extreme and coil's rewards were all 95-100 il, then it could be fair enough.

[Nero]

You need to receive a better reward to convince you to move your ass for coil and extreme instead of afk in Mor Dhona with your full myth 90. That's the point.
If extreme and coil's rewards were all 95-100 il, then it could be fair enough.

Is there a reward going on for "Missing the Point of 2014"? The majority of the players did not do coil or extremes, because they either don't have a 50, are not that far into the Game yet, or simply can't beat it. There is a difference in getting full myth and not having access/failing at said Content. Let aside here that Coil Weapons are 95, that is simply not the point of the quote i did respond to.

[UrbanLucrece]

Did you play XI? In XI there was always something new to do or get, an item from a NM or quest long forgotten to do just for fun or a trillion other things. In XI always something to do, in XIV nothing to do but coil at mondays >_<. I still love XIV thou, I'm just so bored atm ; ;

[Bigpurpleharness]

Stuff about vertical progression.

That is one thing FFXI was the best at, horizontal progression. "Hey, I just got this item in Jar from a content expansion in 2007! Well crap, now I'm not haste capped, better go back to 2002 content and get my Bhaidate" or, "I should go get my WHM relic to recap my stoneskin since I just got another piece which ups the casting time, but would leave me uncapped otherwise!"

PS: I know I most likely screwed the years up, I'm not looking them up, the point is there either way without exact dates.

[Synapse]

That is one thing FFXI was the best at, horizontal progression. "Hey, I just got this item in Jar from a content expansion in 2007! Well crap, now I'm not haste capped, better go back to 2002 content and get my Bhaidate" or, "I should go get my WHM relic to recap my stoneskin since I just got another piece which ups the casting time, but would leave me uncapped otherwise!"

PS: I know I most likely screwed the years up, I'm not looking them up, the point is there either way without exact dates.

That is exactly right, a good point indeed. In FFXI, a content did not get "old", when i quit in 2010, SkY was still viable(a content released in 2002).

The rarity of item made the content last long. Im a liberal in RL, but damn i would hate it in a game.

Everybody gets a trophy!! whether you suck or not!

[Orophin]

I should say after that 1 yr mark from release of FFXI, it grew EXPONENTIALLY. Which i think will NEVER happen to FFXIV.

I think you underestimate what the PS4 release will do, but it won't be anything astronomical like WoW or anything. Already I can tell the Steam sale bolstered the game a bit. (who knows what kind of long terms results it'll have though)

You make it sound like no new children has been born after you did. ;p

I think I could say with a degree of certainty that jr high and high school kids these days would spend one hour in FFXI and then quit. This is the me me me I want I want I want entitled instant-gratification generation we're talking about after all.

That is exactly right, a good point indeed. In FFXI, a content did not get "old", when i quit in 2010, SkY was still viable(a content released in 2002).

I love how people were willing to do Sky for 7 years, but god forbid we put another level of difficulty of Primals in this game. (I actually don't want to see this, but hopefully you get my point)