Dark Knight - Great Sword or Great Scythe poll

[Doo]

Lol people loved it because it could also solo some very nasty stuff, in party setups it was a broken record on "refresh" casting, my girlfriend simply stopped partying the job completely and soloed bosses or duod it with me.^^

You're just simplifying it. Slow/para/dia/bio/magic burst/heal/sleep/refresh/gravity/convert/chainspell/etc. Way more to do than most roles in FFXIV. Of course this is all Pre Abyssea don't know what happened after. Like I've said there's a reason why most mmos are just mainly everyone playing DDs because to them support is boring.

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lol magic fencer.

[Tupsi]

Wonder how many people who say "Scythes are not weapons" ignore pretty much every iteration of 'Death' wielding one and it being one of the better two handed weapons in JRPGs at least next to Polearms.

Scythes make the most sense since XI as the storyline for Dark Knight (yeah remember when jobs had actual lore and storyline that were relevant to the world's story?) is very closely related to death.

Correct me if I'm wrong, is this Death?:



I wonder what's in his hand? I guess he's off to harvest some potatoes.

[Ghasto]

One handed sword, no shield.
Get dat Cecil up in here.

[Duelle]

Fyi: XI was (and likely still is) the most profitable FF title to date, it doesn't matter what your opinion is when it comes to what how Dark Knight should be designed as FF classes evolves over time and XI gave more personality to them, usually you want it to evolve higher rather than regress and yes, you do come off as hating as XI didn't "ruin" anything.

False. FFXI's design for DRK was borderline horrible when the only real worth the job had was kraken club zergs (which eventually got Souleater nerfed). It had next to no use for black magic yet had a spell list bloated with elemental magic spells that basically collected dust. The two-hander update and Hasso at most alleviated the problem and made the job's flaws a lot less glaring, but lets not pretend it was perfect by any stretch of the imagination.

As far as RDM...my sig. Read it.

The ironic thing is, XIV ruined Black Mage and Summoner.

Both jobs are functional, both have solid mechanics, both are used in endgame. Sorry but FFXIV didn't ruin BLM and SMN. What it did is drop asinine notions like the "glass cannon that does nothing once its MP is used up" that interestingly enough is why no one wanted BLMs in parties in FFXI once the pointlessness of skillchain+magic burst came to light. Unlike FFXI, XIV gave us proper adaptations of both jobs fit for an MMORPG.

lol cuz players just wanted it to be a magic fencer when FFXI made it support. Most rdms that I knew that played the job loved the easy invites for groups and the leverage it gave them in group content because it was a role no one liked to play.

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[Lamentations]

You're just simplifying it. Slow/para/dia/bio/magic burst/heal/sleep/refresh/gravity/convert/chainspell/etc. Way more to do than most roles in FFXIV. Of course this is all Pre Abyssea don't know what happened after. Like I've said there's a reason why most mmos are just mainly everyone playing DDs because to them support is boring.

Oh I agree completely, and the previous comment as to rdm being unintended failure in xi pretty much describes jobs in xi in general.

One need look no further than Dynagrind linkshells for many relic gears that were utterly useless to players who built gear sets and played jobs completely outside the nature of SE's original plan for them.

Ninja, thief and the haste craze.

[Doo]

Oh I agree completely, and the previous comment as to rdm being unintended failure in xi pretty much describes jobs in xi in general.

Unintended? Some, fun? Definitely. Was Nin tanking fun? yup. More than PLD in FFXIV? By a mile. It's not a bad thing to be unintended. I think some players made Nin/blm work that was awesome.

[Yuber]

Great Gunsword

[Tupsi]

False. FFXI's design for DRK was borderline horrible when the only real worth the job had was kraken club zergs

So the last time you played FFXI was 2006?

Both jobs are functional

You're right, the only spells Black Mage has ever used were Fire, Thunder and Blizzard. They never had debuffs, buffs or other elemental magic. Summoner also dealt 99% of its damage by melee attacks and debuffs, their summons were only vanity at best.

As far as RDM...my sig. Read it.

Which is pure irony considering the way you feel about Dark and consider Black Mage and Summoner "not ruined."

[Riastrad]

Dark Knights deserve to have a Greatsword. I could understand the want for a scythe, but honestly, it seems as though people forget that Deathbringer (a greatsword) is the signature weapon of a Dark Knight.

Dark Knights may have alot of lore that is tied closely to the aspect of death, but it also isn't called Death Knight.

[kasuke06]

I'm not so sure why your being so hard on this guy, he is simply voicing his opinion, as I might add "are you".

The impractical use off a scythe that in xi is "obviously" not pictured in the normal agricultural crafted lines (I know this because in my youth I actually used them), is nothing more than your own personal theory and observation.

The impracticality of the scythe as a weapon in combat would depend on many different factors of situation.

I don't know many people these days who actually use scythes as a work tool, but your knowledge of them is shallow at best, I am a farrier and thereby a blacksmith when needed by trade, and I have a 3lb anvil hammer that can be a very practical weapon at arms length.

I am also an infantry veteran, I happen to have an old friend who when his weapon jammed suffocated an enemy combatant with "mud", people can get very creative with the concept of "practical" in life or death circumstances.

The quote didn't patch I guess, this is in response to quote # 26.

I am a swordsman of 17 years. Practical is a sword, a two handed stance, and speed to cut down the opponent before they realize their mistake. Impractical is: a weapon where the only sharp part is facing you. I would sooner use a knife than a scythe. I would sooner use a large rock than a scythe. In fact, given the chance, I would prefer to simply take the useless blade off the end and use it as a staff or wooden sword. If a stick or a rock is preferable to a "weapon" then that weapon's design is a failure.

yes, there are a lot of situations where practical and "Holy **** I'm going to die unless I get creative" meet. the scythe is not one of them. I can guarantee you anyone who has used a scythe would be equally or more effective with an axe, or a large rock, or a stick. Literally anything where it could be considered to have been intended as a weapon at some point in it's construction.

And you're right, I haven't spent any time training with scythes, I've trained with swords, knives, staves, archery, throwing knives(and hatchets), pistols, crossbows, and rifles. Things that are in a weird category called "weapons" not farming tools.

It is my opinion that farming tools belong on a farm, not the battlefield. That is the place for tools that are called weapons.