DEV Team Please adjust ilvl requirement for The Lost City of Amdapor. Pharos all over

[PArcher]

My point is, if his ilvl was higher, it means he's played the game long enough to GET better gear vs just coming into the dungeon after maybe 1 wanderer's palace and his shiny AF gear.
Rather than a matter of "ilvl" its a matter of length of time played.

That still doesn't matter.

I've PUGed content (Coil, Primals, other dungeons) with people with Zenith and a good amount of Myth (5+ armor pieces and some accessories, prob i80-ish) who have had absolutely no idea how to play their class properly. DRG who don't use Heavy Thrust or the Impulse Drive combo. MNK who sit at the back or flank. WHM who only Cure 2 spam and SCH who just use Adlo spam. Tanks who just do 1-2-3, maybe use a CD, and never use AoE attacks (Flash/Overpower). BRD who refuse to sing and don't DoT. SMN who Ruin Spam and have their pets running wild. BLM using Fire 3 spam.

With that kind of ilv, and that much Myth, they've been playing a while. And yet...they still are clueless.

[Nukocafe]

That still doesn't matter.

With that kind of ilv, and that much Myth, they've been playing a while. And yet...they still are clueless.

Like I said in the 2nd half of my post which you cut it out - at least bad players with higher ilvl can make it through just by having better gear while low ilvl + low skill makes it basically impossible.

[PArcher]

Like I said in the 2nd half of my post which you cut it out - at least bad players with higher ilvl can make it through just by having better gear while low ilvl + low skill makes it basically impossible.

That's not a positive. At all. That's a HUGE negative.

Oh boy...they can just overgear a dungeon and get through...now they think they can do it everywhere.

Oh wait...they can't. If they do happen to succeed past Titan HM...its because they were carried, not because they did anything meaningful.

I don't know how many i85 Primal EX parties I've joined with absolutely terribad people who have obviously been carried through stuff, or just overgeared dungeons for their gear.

[Nukocafe]

That's not a positive. At all. That's a HUGE negative.

Oh boy...they can just overgear a dungeon and get through...now they think they can do it everywhere.

Oh wait...they can't. If they do happen to succeed past Titan HM...its because they were carried, not because they did anything meaningful.

I don't know how many i85 Primal EX parties I've joined with absolutely terribad people who have obviously been carried through stuff, or just overgeared dungeons for their gear.

That's how it's been for me too...so no it's not a good thing, but we're not talking about primals, we're talking about 4man dungeons here.
Also, if you wanna talk primals, i think people who buy runs to be carried are a bigger problem than unskilled players with high level gear.

[PArcher]

That's how it's been for me too...so no it's not a good thing, but we're not talking about primals, we're talking about 4man dungeons here.
Also, if you wanna talk primals, i think people who buy runs to be carried are a bigger problem than unskilled players with high level gear.

Yes, its still relevant. Because people who do this come into harder content thinking they can do it, and then just drag down legitimate players expecting people to know the fight (especially in a groups labeled "experienced-only)

Ultimately...it doesn't matter if they were carried or are new from overgearing dungeons. Results are the same; people who have no clue and just fail when they join groups, thinking they can either power through it or they're good since they have the "proper" gear.