What vanity will your tank use?

[abzoluut]

I hope they just release loads of crafting gear people can make. It would make at least most of the crafts useful. People will buy it (if there is enough choice and not one vanya robe every single caster wears).

I do hope they restrict enough. I don't want to see PLD's or whatnot clowning around in snowwhatever outfits. xD

[Illya]

I do hope they restrict enough. I don't want to see PLD's or whatnot clowning around in snowwhatever outfits. xD

I'm sorry you hate fun.

I'm looking forward to tanking in a bikini.

[Kitru]

I'm sorry you hate fun.

I'm looking forward to tanking in a bikini.

It's not hating fun. It's wanting there to be a certain minimum level of realism.

The most common conflict with realism is the fantasy powers of a setting (e.g. magic) but that simply requires buying in to an additional set of natural laws (it's like adding a 5th [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_interaction]fundamental force of the universe[/quote]): as long as those rules for that new force are constant or, at the very least, deviations are explained, realism is preserved because realism is more about constancy than than it is about being identical (especially since most people know about things like magnetism but have no clue how the hell it works so it might as well be magic).

The conflict you're describing is the sacrifice of realism for the aesthetic. There is already some compromise for aesthetics insofar as most of the weapons and armor used in game are completely and totally unrealistic and would, in fact, end up hurting you more than helping you. However, these compromises still preserve the logical underpinnings of weapons and armor because they keep certain aspects constant: cloth provides less protection than leather which provides less protection than scale which provides less protection than plate (the other major compromise is the ability to not show helmets/head gear which is actually more due to the need for there to be some kind of emotional connection with our characters which is much harder when you can't see their face and, ergo, relative uniqueness), and axes are slower than swords which are slower than daggers. Allowing for cross-category vanity replacements casts the logical underpinnings of the gear out of the window because there's no possible way to adequately explain how a bikini protects someone as well as a set of full plate armor without just *completely* handwaving it. In doing so, an pretense of realism is shattered because you're outright breaking a set of laws that people are already intimately familiar with (as opposed to simply bending them with the absurd equipment characters use or adding a new set by adding magic).

[therpgfanatic]

It's not hating fun. It's wanting there to be a certain minimum level of realism.

Translation: I want to control how other people's characters look so it conforms to my own perspective of fun.

We're all paying the same price to play the game. If people want to tank in bikinis, let them. It's no more unrealistic than plate armor protecting you from fireballs.

If you want realism this is not the game for you. This is a high fantasy game, which means people do battle in bikinis all the time.

( Personally I wouldn't tank in a bikini, but that's just me. )

[Kitru]

Translation: I want to control how other people's characters look so it conforms to my own perspective of fun.

The devs already control how characters look and behave so that it conforms to their own view of what the game should look like.You can't tank with a board with a nail in it, summon a moogle to do your fighting for you, or pick up a lalafell and beat someone to death with it. There are minimum and maximum heights for all of the races and restrictions on other aspects of character creation as well. Instituting limitations on the vanity system is no different than controlling any other aesthetic aspect of the game, and it's the devs' responsibility to make sure that the game world (including the players) stays within the bounds of what they imagine the world to be, which, given all of the lore based stuff that the devs have come up with, is probably pretty well defined in their minds.

If you want realism this is not the game for you. This is a high fantasy game, which means people do battle in bikinis all the time.

As you apparently missed in the very post you quoted, realism isn't a binary attribute of a game. It exists on a sliding scale with relative limitations as to what is plausible within the game world itself. Fantasy is, by it's very definition, fantastic, but there's a difference between a wizard hurling fireballs and a bikini-babe fighting a dragon with pompoms.

As to high fantasy game meaning that people do battle in bikinis all the time, I'd be curious where in Tolkien to see anyone fighting in a bikini, since Tolkien is pretty much the archetype of the entire high fantasy genre. I'd actually challenge you to find *any* high fantasy setting where people do battle in bikinis that *isn't* a poorly written comedy (there aren't any games in the FF series that qualify as a comedy; it's a dramatic series). In high fantasy, people do battle in outlandish plate armor, complexly embroidered robes with massive sleeves and billowing cloaks, and skin-tight leather armor. They most definitely don't do battle in bikinis because that just crosses the line into *absolute* absurdity.

[Warrlordd]

As long as bikini tanks are wiping its perfectly realistic.

But I'm not sure why we need long posts to tell us that.

[Illya]

O NOES PPL ARE WEARING BIKINIS B-BUH MAH IMERSHUN NO ONE WEARS BIKINIS IN MIDDLE URF

[SpookyGhost]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoKa9l_IXZo

#realism

[Vactus]

They've said ages ago that seasonal gear will most likely not be used for glamour. Bikinis (sadly) are seasonal gear.

However we'll find out more in a couple weeks. I don't care what others wear.... I want Battlemage set for SMN/SCH and I love how my WAR looks. Though I might use the cactuar earrings instead of Allagan earrings that I have.

[Vactus]

Since I can't edit from my phone: Thinking Coliseum chest with allagan fending pants if I do any glamour in WAR. Fabulous!