Musketeer in Through the Maelstrom Patch or Huge Tease?

[Tupsi]

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FFXIV - 2010.
FFXIV Job System - 2012
FFXIV ARR - 2013.

FFXI - 2002, 6 jobs. Patch shortly after launch (I believe 2-3 months) Summoner gets introduced.
FFXI Zilart - 2003 (New jobs and Avatars for SMN that came in a patch.)
FFXI Treasures of Aht Urghan - 2006 - New jobs
FFXI Wings of the Goddess - 2007 - New Jobs
FFXI Seeker's of Adoulin - 2013 - New Jobs.

Yes, new jobs can 'make or break a system' but they had almost 4 years, it could have been developed, instead we got a DoT DPS with vanity Pets (SMN.) As proven with XI, sometimes jobs are hit or miss or require an update to "catch up" to the current game standard, but it doesn't stop them from implementing jobs. The only "unused" job in XI for example is Puppetmaster because of how expensive and skillful you need to be with it. It's also a H2H user with not as good gear as MNK, so that slows it down end-game.

[Shioban]

As proven with XI, sometimes jobs are hit or miss or require an update to "catch up" to the current game standard, but it doesn't stop them from implementing jobs.

FFXI didn't have to remake the game from scratch and reshuffle the entire development eating up a potential 3 years of time.
You're completely ignoring the fact that FFXIV was almost completley re-made which ate up 2 years development time.

We were very lucky in that we managed to even get Arcanist on release which (if you recall) was quite a pressured situation for them to get it ready, finalised and done for launch.
(As a whole it's quite a rushed and cobbled together class/job development and it shows, but thankfully has an overall/use and enjoyment)

If FFXIV on launch had been as it was now, we'd have had new jobs, new areas, new cities, new races all well over a year or two ago now.
When you have to completley rebuild everything in your game it doesn't leave a lot of time to add in new jobs.

I'm not saying they couldn't have made time, but there were most definitely other priories to sort out beside adding in new jobs/classes. However the time has come for a new class/job and they're aware of that so 2.2 or 2.3 will most likely nurture this point.


Another point would be that asset creation in FFXI was a much simpler process, the development overall for FFXI was a simpler process (which is why FFXIV had such difficulty originally as the developers for FFXIII and XIV couldn't cope with large teams in the old development style they were used to). FFXIV's asset production pipeline is much more fiddly and require more time on the developers part, so it's understandable that FFXI was able to churn out a new set of jobs much quicker. But yet again to re-iterate, they weren't having to rebuild an entire game from scratch either (as well as having to churn out new content ASAP to maintain subscriber interest)

[XanderOlivieri]

See? But that's contradictory, because in recent answers (more recent than that) they've said that there's no cap increase until the expansion. So, job only when cap increase, then job in patch and cap increase in expansion? Best bet is to just no hold for it and then you'll be super exited once it gets announced.

There was no contradiction there. It was never said that adding a Job and increasing the Level cap would happen at the same time. It was said that IF they decided to add new jobs, they could also possibly increase the level cap at the same time. They did not say that when they added a new Class/Job, they would, without a doubt, increase the level cap as well. They've said it a few times that they want to add more jobs and Classes before the Expansion in favor for Legacy Players. They never said they'd increase the level cap for them though.

[EdwinLi]

There was no contradiction there. It was never said that adding a Job and increasing the Level cap would happen at the same time. It was said that IF they decided to add new jobs, they could also possibly increase the level cap at the same time. They did not say that when they added a new Class/Job, they would, without a doubt, increase the level cap as well. They've said it a few times that they want to add more jobs and Classes before the Expansion in favor for Legacy Players. They never said they'd increase the level cap for them though.

Ya Yoshi-P is only considering increasing level cap with new class/Jobs but offically he will only increase level cap if he deems that the game is ready to have new class/job skills as stated back in his old announcements during 2.2 update discussions when people were still asking about Leviathan Egi summon for Summoner.

New class/jobs will be added in the game eventually via Major Update and Expansion but when will always be unknown.

So far we know Yoshi-P has plans for some new class/job to be introduced in future Major updates but a good amount of new classes and Job will certainly come from expansions since expansions will introduce new areas to add new class guilds for those new classes and Jobs trainers.

Introduction to new class and jobs through Major Update is most likely going to be determined by what they currently have in the game and there is the possibility that they do not release all the new class/jobs in the expansion being that some new class Guilds may still remain closed once the expansion is released and won't be accessable until a Major Update.

For example they can release a Two-handed Sword Class Guild in first expansion but it remains closed until 3.X update because it is not ready yet. SE does have separate teams working on different content after all.

[Nathan061111]

Sadly I think one thing that may delay the introduction of a Musketeer (or other classes) is US, the community.

Musketeer is released, DEX based ranged DPS, with some quirks that balances out 2 VIT tanks, 2 STR DPS, 2MND Healers, 2 INT Casters.

Everyone says thank you SE we love you Musketeer is awesome.

1 week later: SE you're so stupid the trinity is already broken why bring out another DPS class when DPS are so overplayed, we need tank classes not DPS, UNSUB!

Therefore they may wait till they have till they have a tank and/or healer to release with it for balance so the more toxic elements of the community don't do their thing. (Assuming MSK is a DEX DPS of course.)

[Felis]

See? But that's contradictory, because in recent answers (more recent than that) they've said that there's no cap increase until the expansion. So, job only when cap increase, then job in patch and cap increase in expansion? Best bet is to just no hold for it and then you'll be super exited once it gets announced.

They don't need a level cap increase for Musketeer. It would be a starting class of course.

[Ecks007]

Probably been linked before, but yeah.. Merlwyb has always used dual pistols. One of a few reasons I am proud to call her my Admiral (and the fact that she's a total badass). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvXSHLPB1aM

[Tupsi]

FFXI didn't have to remake the game from scratch and reshuffle the entire development eating up a potential 3 years of time.
You're completely ignoring the fact that FFXIV was almost completley re-made which ate up 2 years development time.

Ignoring? Not really as they clearly reused numerous assets including unused assets resting in XIV 1.x's data for up to 3 years, which means the engine development aside, they still managed to create 3 new entities:

Arcanist's New form (it originally was a staff user that had potent buffs and used traps.)
Scholar
Summoner

Now - We know that Summoner, as I said, is basically a DoT DPS with a vanity pet since let's be honest, most of your damage comes from the Summoner itself. Scholar is a healer with 2 pixies. Now, "completely ignoring" would be what SE did when they completely ignored Musketeer that's been waiting there for 3 years. What prevented them from finally finishing that class/job but had the resources to retoool Arcanist along with adding two brand new jobs..? No, I didn't ignore anything.

We were very lucky in that we managed to even get Arcanist on release which (if you recall) was quite a pressured situation for them to get it ready, finalised and done for launch.

The only thing I remember is them saying Arcanist wouldn't be ready for public testing but will be ready for launch.

I'm not saying they couldn't have made time, but there were most definitely other priories to sort out beside adding in new jobs/classes.

Something something Arcanist something Scholar something Summoner...

Another point would be that asset creation in FFXI was a much simpler process

Actually...In XIV 1.0 development interviews they stated they could pump out assets a lot easier in XIV than they could with XI including a deformer to easily and quickly create armors for the races which dramatically cut down production time. Iirc, over on XI forum they stated it takes about the same time to create assets for that game as it does this game. Asset creation is usually dependent on the engine itself which by common sense, you'd think it'd be MUCH more easier to create assets for ARR than XI since even Yoshi said recently they literally had zero issues working with the PS3 or PS4 which means there's really no "barriers" that would make the assets difficult - Hell, it's more streamlined than ever these days compared to when XI was developed.

[Warlyx]

what? every new job in FFXI was a whole new experience

Blue mage itself : learning skills from mobs , slotting the spells , getting passive traits when u combine them , amazing work

Puppetmaster : a new pet that is customizable , equiping slots for head & body (pld, whm ,rdm , blm, ranger parts), equiping puppet gear that give pet new skills or boost maneauvears ect , one of the most engaging jobs ever

FFXIV arcanist lawl.....

[Nathan061111]

Now - We know that Summoner, as I said, is basically a DoT DPS with a vanity pet since let's be honest, most of your damage comes from the Summoner itself.

Hi Tupsi, just a small point. If you are referring to vanity in the same way as most people see it, i.e. something which is purely aesthetic but has little to no affect on gameplay. Then I'm afraid you are wrong on SMN pets being vanity, as can be seen from this video in which a parser is used:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gDOVuexZeGg

The at the end of the fight the egi contributed 24.7% (rounded) of the SMN and egi combined. Therefore not vanity.

Just a small point

Sorry for going slightly off topic there. Personally I'd love MSK but think it unlikely, fingers crossed guys.

PS on mobile hope the quote and link work OK, see you in Eorzea