PvP is not fun.

[Trevalion]

Seeing one with Cleric Stance out of the gate is like the mark of a superior Scholar, one utilizing everything it has available to them and playing to the job's strengths.

OMG Nerf Dusty!!!

[BkSandaddy]

You should reevaluate your playstyle, you have tools to CC your opponent, I play both as rank30 and enjoy scholar gameplay but I must admit that poor scholar reroll easily whm, when a scholar runs the fee is less powerful. If 3 mens harass me, I have no chance to sleep, bind, slow, aoe stun.
Whm have Virus, i guess spam Holy in a packed group is more usefull, i refuse to compare heal capacity (scholar n1 i guess) cause CC and survivability are keys of victory, it's more difficult to kill an whm especially when this heal always run and sleep other healer
Btw whm can sleep other heal so it's by far the most useful class of two. To compare 2 class, let imagine a match between both....

thought about replying, then realized this cant be understood by English speaking humans.

[Lucenia]

Bk this is simple, its the healer equivalent of Alota. Respond accordingly.

[Yumi_umi]

Pvp is just too divided atm,
I remember back then when it was 1st released.
Everything was cool, fresh, felt like i had a winning chance if i play my cards right along with the others.
But now 2 months with pvp being out.
Trying to level up and grind became near impossible now cuz
1) the que times have increased dramatically. Like almost an hour now lol
2) even if ppl que in 30s and 40s, there will occasionally be the guy with a bunch of skills unlocked that will unload it on ur ass if given the chance.
3) starting now; this "late" into pvp means u\\'ll be working twice if not three times as hard becuase of the time elapsed and wonky automatching.
4) losing like 50 battles+ just to get a small piece of pvp gear
(Ilvl55? I forgot) is pretty demoralizing and lame as it tends to be the only option.
5) the community for it is kinda small, so u\\\\\\'ll usually run into a few ppl every now and then.
( fighting that pro guy again who wiped the floor with ur team for the 5th time?)

[BkSandaddy]

So play it knowing/expecting just to goof off and have fun?

I don't play golf. If I want to start playing golf, why would I expect to be able to play and compete with people who play golf everyday?
The people who play golf everyday, should be better at it and thus be able to beat me. I don't expect to win. I am out there to drink beers and goof off and hopefully have a good time.
If not I will clearly go to some forum and complain about how those people who put in more time and effort than me at something are better than me at it and its not fair?....

[YunieAura]

Stomached nearly 20 ranks of PvP somehow. The matchmaking and server latency/infrastructure ruined it for me. :S I'll try it again if something changes.

[Eriatarka12]

Stomached nearly 20 ranks of PvP somehow. The matchmaking and server latency/infrastructure ruined it for me. :S I'll try it again if something changes.

Look into a tunneling service like battleping.

[YunieAura]

Look into a tunneling service like battleping.

I can "run out of red" perfectly in this game, yet in PvP I run around a corner or pillar to LoS well ahead of time and still get ZZZZ'd, 10 arrows to the face, or interrupted by whatever mystery instant that just flew through the wall. If there is new, impressive-looking PvP gear to be gotten, I'll pick it back up (even if I have queue solo as a healer - ughhh, that matchmaking with people who couldn't hurt a fly). Bloodthirst must be sated in another game with more fluid PvP for now. :P

[Eriatarka12]

I can "run out of red" perfectly in this game, yet in PvP I run around a corner or pillar to LoS well ahead of time and still get ZZZZ'd, 10 arrows to the face, or interrupted by whatever mystery instant that just flew through the wall. If there is new, impressive-looking PvP gear to be gotten, I'll pick it back up (even if I have queue solo as a healer - ughhh, that matchmaking with people who couldn't hurt a fly). Bloodthirst must be sated in another game with more fluid PvP for now. :P

Then your issue is one of two things: 1) You still need to look into a tunneling service like battle ping. Even if you can "play the game fine" in most instances it doesn't mean you can do it in all of them. I do not lag in any instances except for Turn 5, Titan EX, and the Wolves Den. However, I still lag in those mentioned, causing me to use the service. 2) You are not actually LoS-ing properly. I have no lag in the Wolves' Den, and every time I fail to LoS something it is my own fault - It has nothing to do with "lag/server infrastructure".

I'm not sure if this excuse, which I have seen used multiple times, is just stubborn people who refuse to use a tunneling service to solve their problem, or a convenient cop out that allows them to lay blame somewhere else rather than on themselves.

[YunieAura]

Playing PvP in various games, I know how to anticipate attacks, watch enemy cast bars and LoS. While I'm not too stubborn to download any 'tunneling service', this would be the first game and in-game instance I would have to do so for. Even so, it is simply not worth it with the painful issue of the current matchmaking. I refuse to let my r30 friends 'carry' me and take the fun out of it. This is my 'excuse'.