Minor tank balancing ideas. (WAR & PLD)

[Lemon8or]

2. You do realize every action's damage is based of of your weapon, right?

Yes I do realize that but the actions' potency are kept the same. Think potency y as the multiplier for your damage x. Scaling damage is done by scaling the weapon damage which affects x already but if you're scaling the multiplier y as well, that results in very varying damage.

3. Then remove/reduce the damage, it's to bring PLDs up to WARs aoe management levels.

I have had no problem with aoe hate management on PLDs and the only content I haven't beaten is turn 5. Have done adds many times and never lost hate.

[whiskeybravo]

2. You do realize every action's damage is based of of your weapon, right?

See that was the problem with warrior before. Abilities scaled off gear and not content. That's why the damage reduction was important, it scales with content.

War has better AoE threat. PLD has better mitigation. I have a hard time thinking about where there would actually be a problem with this..

[Seifu]

Yes I do realize that but the actions' potency are kept the same. Think potency y as the multiplier for your damage x. Scaling damage is done by scaling the weapon damage which affects x already but if you're scaling the multiplier y as well, that results in very varying damage.

I have had no problem with aoe hate management on PLDs and the only content I haven't beaten is turn 5. Have done adds many times and never lost hate.

Then use the block strength as a damage modifier for the attack similar to weapon damage, and keep the potency the same; it's essentially the same thing. And I'm not saying its impossible or particularly difficult to keep hate on multiple targets as a PLD, but why should WAR get so many more tools than a PLD does? Along with doing damage, WAR can maintain enmity at a much higher degree than PLD can.

[Seifu]

See that was the problem with warrior before. Abilities scaled off gear and not content. That's why the damage reduction was important, it scales with content.

War has better AoE threat. PLD has better mitigation. I have a hard time thinking about where there would actually be a problem with this..

Should have probably left the aoe PLD bit out, that was a last-minute effort that occurred shortly before posting this. Ideally, the off GCD inner beast and scaling shield swipe were my main focus'.

[Vactus]

Then use the block strength as a damage modifier for the attack similar to weapon damage, and keep the potency the same; it's essentially the same thing. And I'm not saying its impossible or particularly difficult to keep hate on multiple targets as a PLD, but why should WAR get so many more tools than a PLD does? Along with doing damage, WAR can maintain enmity at a much higher degree than PLD can.

Correction: WAR can maintain AoE enmity better than a PLD. ST a PLD of equal gear and skill will rip from a WAR. However, if you keep your gear up to speed then this is all a non issue as hate is super easy to keep.


I don't oppose CoS having an enmity modifier and would probably support that change.

[Vactus]

Since I can't edit from my phone: PLD still edge out WAR when it comes to mitigation. DPS isn't a massive difference between the two overall.

[Lemon8or]

Then use the block strength as a damage modifier for the attack similar to weapon damage, and keep the potency the same; it's essentially the same thing

Shield Bash:
Delivers an attack with a potency of 1/2 of Block Strength. (Off Global Cooldown, no TP cost.)

Those words do not mean the same thing. And you ask why warrior has more tools for AOE enmity generation? Because Paladin has slightly better defensive cooldown over time. Somewhere on the forum, people already did numbers crunching for this.
Warrior's enmity generation either: 1. not last long (Flash maybe 3 times max) 2. consumes TP without any means to generate it (Overpower, compared to Flash + Riot Blade) 3. consumes wrath stacks that could be used for Unchained or most likely Inner Beast (Steel Cyclone).

[whiskeybravo]

Should have probably left the aoe PLD bit out, that was a last-minute effort that occurred shortly before posting this. Ideally, the off GCD inner beast and scaling shield swipe were my main focus'.

I mean I feel ya, having played both War and Pld through turn 4 now, War is much easier for AoE threat. I run dailies on War because DPS can nuke the F out of mobs and I don't need to worry about it. It's a lot easier for War, so I'm not really arguing with you.

It's just I don't see where the issue is. Our PLD on turn 4 complains I always take the bugs, I'm like I did overpower twice, I'm sorry lol. But that's fine because he needs to run over and get threat on knight/soldier asap so dps can start nuking them once all the bugs are dead. Same with phase 4 and 6, OT grabs pretty much everything so War is perfect for that.

I think they compliment each other quite well in 2 tank situations, but I understand where you're coming from. I'd like to see Off-GCD Inner Beast in action before I decide if that's better or not. Shield swipe could use some love, I think maybe along the lines of something else to use in OT situations, some other suggestions floating around had it part 3 of a Riot Blade combo which isn't a bad idea.

[Surian]

Changes are stupid.

Yes, i agree that warriors are basicly GODS now after their update and that Paladin could use a little buff as well. However 1/20 chance of a little extra damage, when Circle of Scorn can only be used every 25 seconds?

This whole thing about AoE damage and what not can easily be circumvented by one simple change:

Set Circle of Scorn's Recast Time from 25 Seconds to 2.5 Seconds on Global Cooldown, Let us use it whenever we like. At 100 base potency, it's not going to hurt anyone if we can spam it. It's just nice for a little bit of AoE damage. Warriors can spam their AoE attack(s), why cant we?

[Lemon8or]

Set Circle of Scorn's Recast Time from 25 Seconds to 2.5 Seconds on Global Cooldown

Not sure if serious. Warriors can't spam our AOE attacks if you looked at my response above. You'd better tie TP to Circle of Scorn too then.