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    The tanking shortage reasons

    I'd like share some toughts about reasons for this continue shortage of tanks, please correct me
    • Tanks are expensive. Unlike dps and healer, you cannot go a duty undergeared. As dps and healer, I usually go through my leveling gearing with drops, tanks cannot do it. They have to gear enough for the duty they go. It means, buy or craft the missing gear.
    • Tanks are expensive. Armor durability drops about 5 times faster than dps and healer. For obvious reasons. Repair costs comes. As dps or healer, I had to face repairs only at 50, because the previous gear is changed before its durability becomes an issue.
    • Tanks must know the duty, where to go, where not to go, what to do with the bosses, know trash killing order. Healer and dps just follow the tank and can go a new duty without knowing nothing of the place, 90% of the time.
    • Tanks are less forgiven. A tank who does it perfectly, is a tank who just done its job.A Tank who makes one error is a bad tank.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LalaRu View Post
    [*]Tanks are expensive. Armor durability drops about 5 times faster than dps and healer. For obvious reasons. Repair costs comes. As dps or healer, I had to face repairs only at 50, because the previous gear is changed before its durability becomes an issue.[/LIST]
    The only two things that drop durability are a) killing mobs, or b) dying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyaanyaa
    The only two things that drop durability are a) killing mobs, or b) dying.
    As Tank, I noticed the durability as issue, as no tank, never had problems. I will make some tests with some FC mate then, it maybe I were killing too much mobs, or I were dying too much often, without noticing it XD

    Quote Originally Posted by Kuwagami
    point 1&2 are wrong
    Are you stating if you are undergeared, the healer will have no problems anyway on keep you safe? I go naked then! Sorry but cannot agree, gone Halatali as soon it has unlocked with gear 5-10 levels under on average (maybe I'm unlucky on drops?) and it was common my HP falling in range 0-20% on some spikes even with trash. There, just one decent helm drop had made the difference, making next runs easier.
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    Last edited by LalaRu; 03-03-2014 at 11:53 PM. Reason: wrong quote

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    Quote Originally Posted by LalaRu View Post
    Are you stating if you are undergeared, the healer will have no problems anyway on keep you safe? I go naked then! Sorry but cannot agree, gone Halatali as soon it has unlocked with gear 5-10 levels under on average (maybe I'm unlucky on drops?) and it was common my HP falling in range 0-20% on some spikes even with trash. There, just one decent helm drop had made the difference, making next runs easier.
    I'll make it again : especially for low level dungeons (I'd say under lv 30), there is minor difference the gear can do. We're talking about maybe 200 hp at most here. Sure it can become critical if you aren't used to tanking and your healer not used to healing, but it's minor. Also, all the quest stuff you get easily fills some spots. Finally, as if it's not your first class you're most likely going to repeat every dungeon at least 4 times to get to the next one, it would be a really bad luck on drops if you can't get even 2/3 pieces per tier.

    I never spend anything on levelling gear, even when I was tanking with my drg because of DC'ed tank...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LalaRu View Post
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    point 1&2 are wrong. I made my way to lv 50 without trouble (as 1st class) with only drops. But it was at a time you needed to do 7 or 8 times a dungeon to have enough xp to go for the new dungeon available. Also, you do not need more repairs if healer & dps do their job and let you live. It's not because you take more hits that durability decreases faster. It decreases faster if you die.

    point 3 is solved if you can find people not bitching around.

    point 4 is also true for healers...

    You want a major reason for tank shortage ? People are bitching a lot more about them that they should. Tanking has responsibilities other jobs don't have (they have their own set of responsibilities but that's out of subject) and many people can't stand the pressure. Add on it people bitching and "lolol go play WOW you noob can't SR and faceroll ez", you now know why people don't like to tank
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuwagami View Post
    You want a major reason for tank shortage ? People are bitching a lot more about them that they should.
    This is a good point. A lot of players don't like being "bisched" and will react avoiding roles that calls for it more than others.
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    I simply didn't care for tanking when I tried it. I play healer almost exclusively and find anything else boring. Tanking included, but that is just me. The tank classes might be a part of the problem. A ranged tank class that focuses on movement control strikes me as more interesting than the usual mêlée role. But then again I don't care for mêlée play styles so I am biased.

    I agree that the leadership role of tanks is likely the largest hurdle. I prefer to lead from the rear and not the front. It takes a different personality to lead from the front or to lead at all.
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    It's simple really:
    -If you know how to tank a fight, then you know how to DPS/Heal it.
    -If you know how to DPS/Heal a fight, you do NOT know how to tank it.

    *Note: Healers can transition to tanks better then DPS.
    **Note: This does not apply to everyone! Simply the general public.

    Since people prefer the path of least resistance, most will swap to a new DPS class when they are bored of the primary job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Codek View Post
    It's simple really:
    -If you know how to tank a fight, then you know how to DPS/Heal it.
    -If you know how to DPS/Heal a fight, you do NOT know how to tank it.

    *Note: Healers can transition to tanks better then DPS.
    **Note: This does not apply to everyone! Simply the general public.

    Since people prefer the path of least resistance, most will swap to a new DPS class when they are bored of the primary job.
    My SCH is level 50, My PLD is level 47. As a healer I've learned kill orders from tanks I've healed. But I imagine melee dps learn a lot about how to position mobs from the PLD's they are next to. Hate cycling and positioning mobs are what always took me a little getting used to when I took time off SCH to level PLD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen_Thom View Post
    My SCH is level 50, My PLD is level 47. As a healer I've learned kill orders from tanks I've healed. But I imagine melee dps learn a lot about how to position mobs from the PLD's they are next to. Hate cycling and positioning mobs are what always took me a little getting used to when I took time off SCH to level PLD.
    Honestly, the only reason I say healing is easier is because the biggest learning curve for tanking (at very late game) is knowing the timing of the big hits. You have to anticipate them once you get to the extreme fights and as a healer, the timing is subconsciously implanted into your head already. Everyone who hasn't tanked will go through the growing pains of learning the positioning aspects. Only healers will be in tune with this dangerous moments where cool-downs should be popped to make the fight much easier for everyone in general.

    Threat management is something that DPS will be more in tune with and will most likely grasp faster. It's also something that becomes trivial once you grasp it and reach end game content so I tend to overlook it a lot myself. It's still a valid point none the less.
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