To Blue Garter and Who is really Hardcore on endgame content

[razzgrizz3]

OP you are beyond deluded if you believe one can just "DO" twintania or any ex primals just by watching a video

[NeoAmon]

Unfortunately this is not going to happen. Almost every successful coil group got a streamer amongst them or Youtube video maker. They are not going to miss the chance and not be among the firsts to record T6+ successful kills.


Recall how many FC uploaded their T5 kills for two weeks after BG?

There is something to also consider, if all the big FCs from BG to the last FC that killed Twin this week for the first time grouped up together to create the perfect video guide for Twin and gave it to a group that have not killed her yet, chances are they would need days if not weeks to execute it.

[Momita]

OP you are beyond deluded if you believe one can just "DO" twintania or any ex primals just by watching a video

I didn't say this... but with a video if no one know gimmicks (like twister) they learn how to dodge it ^^

Of course a group with skills can "Ditto" the video, it's not this the point of the thread ^^

My point is that the "Learning Phase" when NO ONE (even BG) know how to kill a boss (like twintania in september) is (imho ofc) the best part of the game... learning all together with your group to do the phases and kill it!
I understand not everyone thought like me, this is just a try to understand What I love in a game...

Now, Primal Ex was really easy and i understand that video start to pop up easily cuz not so hard.. i don't think exist First Kill for this because so easy that can be beated in a couple of hours...

my thread is more for that type of content like twintania where NO ONE know what to do.. and I remember the first time trying all together with all HC group on all server for world first kill (ofc everyone know BG had 99% possibility but trying and learning alone is more satisfating for me XD)

[TornadoFury]

its all scripted you honestly don't need a guide for anything just do a fight write down patterns and pray your teammates have a good internet connection.

[Kallera]

long speech

I held the delete key for a good two minutes to say that I wish i could like this 100 times. There is something disingenuous about the gaming community where on one hand they seek out hardcore content, then insist in new parties that the first thing players should do is read the guide on how to win. There no fun anymore in the journey to these folk.

For me, i find there is no journey. When expanding the DF is the only feasible thing to do at endgame, with many other avenues of content becoming dead ends, there are few goals worth doing to the player. We each want different things to enjoy out of the game, but when it all gets shortchanged to insist upon 1 thing of worth in the endgame, the player's worth is devalued to insist upon clears. Those aren't human beings on the other end, they are bad NPCs that are keeping you from winning. Why spend 15 minutes helping them when you can take 15 seconds to kick them/leave, then look for a group that has the fight on farm?

[Renik]

Easy solution, get rid of those horrible scripted battles, the guides would be merely info sources instead of a "how to kill X step by step" guide, everyone would have fun killing a boss for the first time, and we would see much less harassment DF and less elitism.

"Know the battle? what do you mean?"

[Atreides]

Easy solution, get rid of those horrible scripted battles, the guides would be merely info sources instead of a "how to kill X step by step" guide, everyone would have fun killing a boss for the first time, and we would see much less harassment DF and less elitism.

"Know the battle? what do you mean?"

What you're suggesting is to make the encounters so ridiculously easy that you can just get over it with randoms, it wouldn't hold progress player for a week...

[Royze]

BG have as much right to post videos of their FC adventures as anyone else. Just because they are trailblazers and at the forefront of end game doesn't mean they should have to in any way censor themselves.

Many in the community enjoy watching them play and their strategies.

Frankly, OP, you claim it is easy to find 7 people who are willing to "go alone", by that I guess you mean entering a situation without any research/non-primary resources then it should be easy to find people who are willing to leeroy jenkins the shit out of content. (I kinda like to plan ahead with my limited game time and learn what I can from secondary sources, call me crazy)

Also, why did you single out BG? Just because they're the most well known non-JP LS? There are many others who post their strats.
For the record, I think it was several weeks after their wins that BG ever said anything about how to Coil, let alone twintania.

[Momita]

Also, why did you single out BG? Just because they're the most well known non-JP LS? There are many others who post their strats.
For the record, I think it was several weeks after their wins that BG ever said anything about how to Coil, let alone twintania.

How people read..... .____.




To Blue Garter and Who is really Hardcore on endgame content

[Renik]

What you're suggesting is to make the encounters so ridiculously easy that you can just get over it with randoms, it wouldn't hold progress player for a week...

No, that's not my suggestion, i have already posted my feedback in a place where it belongs, and i'm not gonna do it here, there you have my profile do a search if you want but don't answer here.

also

Awesomeness

Your post just made me realize about something, this community (and the new generation of gamers) is turning this game (and every other MMO) into real life.