Who was Baldric Thorne?

[NoloeTazier]

Baldric Thorne is a Highland Hyur name. It's apparent somewhere in the Ul-line that the Thornes were able to takeover. Ul'dah has always been about gold(gil) being power. So it's easy to dream a scenario where the rich were able to overtake the sultan/sultana and seize power. Funny enough I'd say the end of the Thorne line is because of the loss of the Copperbell Mines and the money/power that came with it, this allowing the Ul-line to return (essentially losing the power the same way they gained it and another speculation being maybe with the invention of the magical helms for the Hecatonchiers being the cause for both rise and downfall as Moose stated). After all as Moose stated and anyone can find out, Sultana Nanamo Ul Namo is the part of the second dynasty of the Ul-line but she is also the 17th descendent. Lalafell live a very long time so the number 17 is even bigger if we consider a sultan/sultana living their entire life with the title and only in death relinquishing the power to a new, Ul'dah is also all about death and assassinations so that makes it even more fun if we speculate that a sultan/sultana or two were killed by their own family.

Now if we knew the founding date of Ul'dah (probably around 972 6A.E. with the founding of the Sultan Sworn) we could find an average of how many years each sultan/sultana served. 17 for the Ul-line and I'd say at a minimum 3 Thornes because it's the Thorne Dynasty which means it was definitely more than 1 and 2 would just be too small, so a minimum of 3 if not more and if Baldric Thorne was a Hyur and Hyur have similar lifespans as us humans, they wouldn't live as long as the Lalafell barring assassinations.

Edit: Forgot another point, Edvya has the possibility of being a Hyur or Lalafell. A Hyur adopting a Lalafell could help the succession in Ul'dah, just a guess. With Midlander female names being based on Germanic and Normadic names, I can't find anything close to Edvya so I assume it's just a made up name. While Baldric is easily found with the meaning of bald bold and power and rule.

[Gemma]

Baldric Thorne is a Midlander Hyur name.

Actually, doesn't that sound more like a Highlander Hyur name according to the Lore?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ng-Conventions


Highlander first names are remarkably similar to medieval European names that have Germanic or Normandic roots.

As the Highlanders are a warring race, their last names tend to sound more...violent, as they will often adopt the colorful nicknames they have earned during battle.

Male

Aethlwold Hunter
Hunfrid Longblade
Lewenhart Boarsblood

Female

Sigberta Strong
Orieldis Blacke
Bergard Thorne

Edit: Also found this

Baldric: Derived from the Germanic elements bald "bold, brave" and ric "power, rule".

[NoloeTazier]

Actually, doesn't that sound more like a Highlander Hyur name according to the Lore?

Er yeah, I wrote this right when I woke up lol. My apologies and ty for noticing my mistake. The design of the Wind-up Edvya has had people asking me if she was a Lalafell, as she does resemble one slightly (large eyes) and that I thought it would might be strategic for a Hyur to adopt a Lalafell daughter to appeal to the Ul'dahn masses.

[TeaTimeBear]

Er yeah, I wrote this right when I woke up lol. My apologies and ty for noticing my mistake. The design of the Wind-up Edvya has had people asking me if she was a Lalafell, as she does resemble one slightly (large eyes) and that I thought it would might be strategic for a Hyur to adopt a Lalafell daughter to appeal to the Ul'dahn masses.

Why do they ask that? Dolls do usually have large eyes.. That's not enough to pin point what race she was exactly.. in my opinion.

[NoloeTazier]

Why do they ask that? Dolls do usually have large eyes.. That's not enough to pin point what race she was exactly.. in my opinion.

Because the doll is based off the real Edvya. And true a lot of dolls have large eyes but there's just as many that have real life sized proportions. My point for Edvya being a Lalafell isn't just about her eyes, it's part of a successful succession in Ul'dah, a Lalafell in the new family would help ease tensions.

[Lucke]

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Do we know if Sisigan and Nanamo are related? Could it be that when a Lalafell assumes the role, they adopt the "Ul" Name? Sisigan and Nanamo could not be related at all. They just share the "Ul" Part because they were/are both rulers.

[Anonymoose]

Do we know if Sisigan and Nanamo are related?

The sultan at the time, Sasagan Ul Sisigan─ Ah! But perhaps you recognize the Ul name? The current sultana, Nanamo Ul Namo, represents the second Ul dynasty. She is Sasagan's distant descendant.

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