Bonus stats are pointless

[Mimilu]

Now if they wanted to make them more useful, while people will probably bite my head off for saying this, BUT.. instead of having those points be per job/class, be just the 30 points per character, regardless of job/class. So if you put 30 points in INT because you were a black mage, then wanted to play as a warrior, you don't get a new 30 points to put somewhere, they are just placed into INT, that's it.

That would be horrible and completely defeats the purpose of being able to switch between classes/jobs.

[Mcshiggs]

That would be horrible and completely defeats the purpose of being able to switch between classes/jobs.

Wow someone actually dumped this in here before I could put that if they did Hiroradius' idea, then people would just complain about not being able to do everything on one character.

[Mimilu]

Wow someone actually dumped this in here before I could put that if they did Hiroradius' idea, then people would just complain about not being able to do everything on one character.

And that's a bad thing?
This would effect you, who has all battle classes at level 50, the most, considering it would nerf all but one of them at a given time (your main).

[Mcshiggs]

And that's a bad thing?
This would effect you, who has all battle classes at level 50, the most, considering it would nerf all but one of them at a given time (your main).

I wouldn't mind, it makes sense to me that someone that plays black mage most of the time would be able to do more damage than someone that plays monk most of the time but swaps over to black mage for things like Garuda Extreme because they can't figure out wicked wheel. I also know this won't happen, Yoshi-P has already said in some interviews that he has had to kill some of his own ideas for this game because it would force players to make choices that could take away the "everythingness" for one character, like his idea for gladiator, instead of branching to paladin and dark knight, having to make a choice between paladin or dark knight. I like the second idea personally, only put in a quest where you could swap, but maybe put a week long cooldown on it or something. You would still be able to do everything on one character, just not everything right now, and that is one of the problems with this game, people want everything right now, with as little work as possible, that's why there is so much whining about the stats being tied to class instead of job, they say you have to gimp one job or the other, which isn't true, you farm seals, buy hymns then you can swap your points at will, but then those people complain it is too much work, stupid and against the armory system letting you do everything, and they refuse to admit that a summoner with 15 less int is still a summoner, so the system isn't preventing them from being a max stat summoner, their laziness to not farming seals is.

[Mimilu]

"... only put in a quest where you could swap, but maybe put a week long cooldown on it or something. You would still be able to do everything on one character, just not everything right now..."

That's only adding an unneeded annoyance to the game.
With the two things you proposed, 30 bonus points that are shared through out the classes AND a week long cooldown to change jobs, the game is going to screech to a halt.

[Hiroradius]

That would be horrible and completely defeats the purpose of being able to switch between classes/jobs.

No actually it would cause people to have a MAIN class, and the switching would be alt classes. Right now the way this game is designed, you MAIN everything. If they set it so the ability point would be the same between all classes/jobs, then yes people still could main as a Black mage, but sub as a white mage, they may not be as good as someone who main class is white mage but can do the job.

You can still buy the ability point reset option from you grand company in case you decide you want to main as a white mage instead of black mage.

This will also cause more tanks whether people believe it or not. The reason, if you rolled a Gladiator/Paladin got to level 50, then decided you were bored and wanted to play Archer/Bard, you could now be at level 50, people need a tank to run CT, and you decide you are a Bard tonight and run as that instead.

People would cry and complain if they made that change now, but if that was the way it was at the beginning, people would whine but people would also accept it and we would have people being more specific jobs. We would have more tanks AND people might then roll alts instead to be a different job (even though you could buy the stat reallocation potion), so they would have their Paladin character, and an alt Bard character.

[Kitru]

This will also cause more tanks whether people believe it or not.

No, it wouldn't because all of the people that main as DPS or heals but alt as tanks, which is a much larger portion of the tank population as a whole than those who main tank but alt as a healer or DPS, would be penalized when running as an alt tank, which ends up reducing the practical tank population. Having bonus stats applied to characters instead of classes would simply place a stigma on running any alt class, which is contradictory to the way the armory system works: you're supposed to be able to have a single character that can play any of the classes with equal aplomb (given that you have the gear for it). If you penalize someone for actually playing a class other than their own (or, more appropriately, penalizing them for playing a class with a different mainstat), it detracts from the given system.

We would have more tanks AND people might then roll alts instead to be a different job (even though you could buy the stat reallocation potion), so they would have their Paladin character, and an alt Bard character.

And why exactly should the devs try to encourage people to roll alt characters? The armory system is designed so that you can get the experience of rolling alt characters without having to do so. The only reason that you should ever *need* to roll an alt character is if you want to run weekly content more than once per week, since that's the only restriction applied to a character.

[Mimilu]

This will also cause more tanks whether people believe it or not. The reason, if you rolled a Gladiator/Paladin got to level 50, then decided you were bored and wanted to play Archer/Bard, you could now be at level 50, people need a tank to run CT, and you decide you are a Bard tonight and run as that instead.

This example makes no sense...
Are you say that your level would stick through out all the classes then?
And where does parties needing Tanks for CT come in to you being a Bard?
Your system would discourage people from switching, even with Keeper's Hymn, because they wouldn't have the class/job they need readily available and they would have to waste seals rapidly.
Not to mention, this would be a huge boon to DPS classes/jobs simply out of the sheer number of players who main DPS. They already have a hard time finding parties in-and-out of the DF simply because there's so many of them versus the number of available tanks or even healers.
This game just wasn't designed for people to just stick with a main class (they could, but they're really pigeonholing themselves).