Why do people hate on tanky healers?

[NintenPyjak64]

You're already gimping your parties without Swift cast. Other healer dies? Swiftcast raise. Problem solved. And can you prove you took mountain busters without any form of mitigation on titan? I can recall MBs hitting for well over 6k in both hard and ex mode.

As for tanking T1... if I want a tank I'll invite a PLD or WAR. I invite you as a healer so I expect you to heal, not tank.

[Lemon8or]

We tell you why, you ignored it and just lololol I'm not doing anything wrong. EX MB doesn't hit less, people just have better gears. Even if it's possible to get more HP, all it does is that you'll have the tanks die slower since your healing output is lower than the mobs damage output. As a warrior tank, the only time I hit 10k is with Thrill of Battle. I doubt you will get that high for another 2-3 expansions. You sound just like one of the guy that was in my FC: I survived to the end, that's good enough right? No, you didn't do your job and got carried by others.

[Ninix]

Reminds me of a BLM in my FC who has decided to solve their really bad lag problem by stacking as much VIT as possible so they can eat more AoEs, lol

While I certainly don't *hate* on people who do this, I don't really see the point aside from the (admittedly neat) novelty of saying you're a cloth-wearer with almost 6k health. You're sacrificing a *ton* of healing stats to get that much HP and your Cure 1 is hitting for about 100 points less than Physick does on my SCH. Considering WHM is the throughput healer it doesn't make a ton of sense to do this. It definitely gives you more survivability, there's no arguing that... but quite frankly I can't really think of any situations where an extra 1000-1500 hp on one of our healers would have stopped a wipe. Sure, you can eat a mountain buster, but why are you even getting hit by one in the first place?

All that being said, it's probably not stopping you from healing anything. The 70-something MND you're losing out on won't make it impossible to heal Twintania. It'll just make it more difficult for very little benefit. You still can't survive a twister blowing up, you still can't survive a dreadknight reaching you, you still can't survive a conflag blowing up in your face... and all of the other damage on the fight you will survive (getting hit by a divebomb, fireball, liquid hell, aetheric profusion, hell, even getting plummeted by Twin) can also be survived with the more typical 4.1k health. I think that's why people are getting annoyed at you when you join their party with that much health.

[Yumi_umi]

Lol idk y u guys r so set on proving me 100% wrong lol, i also mean with stone skin*
Cuz i need to utilize every skill i have atm to survive effectively just like real tanks :^D

[NintenPyjak64]

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All you need is protect, stone skin and dodging. With full i90 as a whm you'll have about 4.4k+ HP naturally (after food and party buff). That is more then enough to survive any non dodgable attack. And why would a whm need to eat an MB anyways? At that point I'd say reevaluate your tanks or your play style (too much aoe curing is the leading cause to losing hate in any titan)

WHM is not a tank. You can't build reliable enmity throughout the course of a long fight. You can't eat massive hits reliably even with SS. Tanks with 7k HP stone skin can take massive damage from cad's hood swing unmitigated (no cooldowns, tank lb or debuffs on cad). You only have 5.7k with much much lower defense. Stone skin alone will not save you

[Yumi_umi]

Yeah lol! I'd never survive that but it doesn't mean i won't give up lol
A whm can dream and try their best but as long as we beat the boss without the other healer telling me to carry my own weight etc. i think it'd be called successful and fun to watch right? Also have any of you tried this build before? You can't really hate it till u actually try it and see how it works or have seen it work.

[Fiosha_Maureiba]

Devil's Advocate Mode: Abandon White Mage! Whoop out dat Conjurer with your Mog Wand and shield! Foresight, Keen Flurry, Featherfoot, Flash, and Provoke! Once you reach a certain threshhold of healing, you may end up overhealing with your heal partner.

Arnold voice: Do it! Do it nyao!

Side Note: If Mountain Buster is the table flip, then it seems to do less damage in Titan EX than in Titan HM until the stacks start to add up. I parried a HM MB with a 16% reduction during a wipe, but still got slapped for 4400 HP (I only had 3900 at the time). So you would have to deflect 5000ish damage regularly and our low defense really plays against us in this scenario.

[Yumi_umi]

Have you ever seen a healer survive a failed hellfire and continue to heal the two tanks and maybe a high hp dps till they get LB3 and revive everyone and make an awesome recovery? ( in ifrit hm of course lol )
Never tried ex yet
You should see how many ppl go like "gg wipe please" then to just say moments later " gooooooo, almost lb3!!! You can do it lol etc. "
its pretty funny to see that in the chatbox.
Also lets say in hakkuke manor HM,
Its possible to recover from the failed kill of the lady " something " ( the last add) in the final boss. As blood rain would usually wipe the party but i managed to survive and rez everyone + top ppl off. So in that case i was compensating for the low dps in that party.
Sure i have to work a bit harder but hey we all won right?

[Lemon8or]

Have you ever seen a healer survive a failed hellfire and continue to heal the two tanks and maybe a high hp dps till they get LB3 and revive everyone and make an awesome recovery?

Ifrit HM is a joke. You're using an example of a fight meant for ilevel 50s when you run in at ilevel 70+ as ratification for this tanky healer thing. If you had tried Ifrit EX, you'd know that a failed hellfire, aka failing to kill all nails, would do 22k damage. Unless you overgear for it again, maybe like ilevel 120+, you won't survive this. Maybe if you didn't put your points in vitality to begin with, those points could've been added heal onto tanks so you could help dpsing down the nails in the first place, which with more points into Mind means more damage in Cleric Stance. Same thing with your example in Haukke HM.

[Rbstr]

The main thing, really, is that if you need to be a "tanky" healer your party is pretty boned - You're eating AOE you don't need to, your tanks can't keep a hold on things, your DPS is severely slow. Things that are common failure modes that lead to dead healers are probably still going to end up killing you.

You might cure enough for the hardest stuff. By going for tanking myth accs you're not only short of cure power but mana as well. Under heavy load - like t4 double-dread - you're going to break very quickly. Places where you might get buy with cure1 now need you to cure2 - so longer fights are going to have much greater mana issues. The second healer is probably pulling a lot more weight than usual with you. Not necessarily in max DPS healed but in heals you don't have to throw saving your mana.

If you need HP you should meld vit on caster i70 accs. It'll get you to 5k but also give you some healer stats.