what happened to musketeer?

[saber_alter]

Until the Gun Lance comes out and then you'll be the happiest camper on Eorzea right?

darnus called, he wants Bradamante back.

you can find him in the ragnarok between the hours of 9am to 7pm EST

[XanderOlivieri]

darnus called, he wants Bradamante back.

you can find him in the ragnarok between the hours of 9am to 7pm EST

There are no actual Gun Lances to be used by players, although we do get a Gunblade from the Lightning event.

Arcanist actually can't equip the Darklight that SCH uses. That was my point.

Look at Lancer and Dragoon. Even though they both can use some of the tank armor at lower levels, at endgame none of the Dragoon equipment is like that. If they add a second Job to Lancer that is a tank, I expect the same situation that happens with Arcanist, with Lancer not being able to equip the endgame armor of this potential new job.

You confuse Job and Role. Scholar can wear all of what the Arcanist can wear so long as its not DPS locked because of the way the armory system works. Scholar is a healer and has access to the White Mage and Conjurer's armor because SE didn't see the need to add in a second set of armor specifically for the Scholar rather than fitting in the role. Once you get to Darklight you are in end game gear which focuses on your Role, not your class when you look at armor.

But they can't all equip the same books, that was my point. They can still get weapons tailored to each class.

For the most part, yes they do. End game books are the only ones that separate they are all still Arcanist weapons. Summoner and Scholar are two different Roles and have to use different books to maximize their best stats, They can only use those weapons because the Arcanist can. The weapons are still dictated by the original class. Scholar has its own set of books past Darklight because Summoner Books don't maximize its practical functions and Arcanist being a DPS has little use for Mind bonuses. If Arcanist were rectoned into a healer when Hybrid roles come out, the Scholar Books (Known as Arcanist Grimoires) would be viable weapons for the Arcanist as well. It would probably have access to the Conjurer's armor set as well.

From what I see you don't have any point to push across. The Jobs reflect the Class. Advance Jobs would reflect the base class as that's how the level system part of the Armory system works. Summoner and Scholar aren't separate enough to get their own stat bonuses. Pulling an Advance Job (needing 4 base classes because that's what you'll need with the example provided) its stat bonuses and allocations will be based on what ever they choose as the base class to base it off of. General Armor list and its primary weapon list will follow this class's restrictions, then add its own special brand to it with new end game gear and old end game gear has a chance to be added to its usable gear list.

The weapons and armor aren't tailored to each class, they are tailored to the role the class has to play under. If Conjurer were a DPS role, it would have the armor Thaumaturge and Arcanist has. If Thaumaturge were a healer it would have the same armor that Conjurer has.

Other new Classes will be under the same restrictions unless they break the current norm (Melee Magic based characters. Magic based Tank with light/cloth armor. Heavily armored DPS class. Highly defensive DPS class. Lightly armored Physical Tank. Etc.)

If the general armor and weaponry doesn't fit the role, then they add special armor to fit this role. A Tank Job for the Dragoon would end up sharing with either the Warrior or Paladin as well as get its class specified armor designs. It would get some weapons to fit its role and others can be altered to better set the class up earlier in which could be interchangeable with the Dragoon. The Tank would still be a spear wielding class that has to use all of the Lancer's base skills to set up.

[Gilthas]

Umm, your initial argument was that equipment would be restricted by class/job, and I pointed out how that's not really true. You're the one that's bringing roles into the argument now, and duh, yeah the equipment will obviously fit the role of the new job.

The reason why you don't have any point to push across is that when they add new jobs to the existing classes there is absolutely nothing preventing them from adding gear for that job or, as in my example, from allowing the new job to have access to equipment that the base class can't use.

[EdwinLi]

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Ya there is a possibility for new weapons but new weapons can only be added if they work with the base class as well..

For example, GLA skills are a natural Sword and a few Shield skills.

Any new weapon for GLA will have to work for a Sword and Shield skill but adjusted with DPS type stats if given a DPS job.

While other MMOs may have the introduce new weapon at a Job advance this game has this rule of requiring weapons to actually work with their skills during low levels until they split into more stat focused gear in lvl 45+.

For example, if they introduce a Two-handed sword weapon to GLA. They will have to add lvl 1 - 45 Two-handed swords that can also be used by GLA and rename the Shield skills between lvl 1 - 30 to be a diffferent skill while serving the same function.

However, as of now Two-handed sword has been planned to be given to a new class in the future because Yoshi-P doesn't want to add any new weapons that would require a change in the base class before they obtain their Jobs.

[Gilthas]

For example, if they introduce a Two-handed sword weapon to GLA. They will have to add lvl 1 - 45 Two-handed swords that can also be used by GLA and rename the Shield skills between lvl 1 - 30 to be a diffferent skill while serving the same function.

Actually, no they wouldn't. A Gladiator has to have a Sword equipped to be a Gladiator, it doesn't have to have a shield equipped. So if they added those two-handed swords to Gladiator, the player would just have to choose if using a two-handed sword would be worth the loss of the shield skills.

[EdwinLi]

Actually, no they wouldn't. A Gladiator has to have a Sword equipped to be a Gladiator, it doesn't have to have a shield equipped. So if they added those two-handed swords to Gladiator, the player would just have to choose if using a two-handed sword would be worth the loss of the shield skills.

Believe what you will but there is no plans to introduce weapons that would restict a base class from using all their skills until their Job obtained.

While you may find it ideal to restrict some skills on Base classes so they can introduce a new weapon to a class Yoshi-P does not agree with this kind of plan which is why new weapons will be introduced for new classes.

If people want a Two-handed sword class they must wait for the release of the Two-handed sword Class they have planned.

It has been stated in a old live letter that if a Two-handed sword is introduced it will be the weapon used for a new Class.

(off topic: I'm actually still waiting for them to provide the inforamtion about Two-handed sword class ever since they announced it will be a future weapon for a future class. Well I'm still mostly waiting for information on Musketeer class since I know Gunblade class won't arrive until we are near or in the Garlean empire as Yoshi-P stated)

[Citizen_Thom]

Ya there is a possibility for new weapons but new weapons can only be added if they work with the base class as well..

For example, GLA skills are a natural Sword and a few Shield skills.

Any new weapon for GLA will have to work for a Sword and Shield skill but adjusted with DPS type stats if given a DPS job.

While other MMOs may have the introduce new weapon at a Job advance this game has this rule of requiring weapons to actually work with their skills during low levels until they split into more stat focused gear in lvl 45+.

For example, if they introduce a Two-handed sword weapon to GLA. They will have to add lvl 1 - 45 Two-handed swords that can also be used by GLA and rename the Shield skills between lvl 1 - 30 to be a diffferent skill while serving the same function.

However, as of now Two-handed sword has been planned to be given to a new class in the future because Yoshi-P doesn't want to add any new weapons that would require a change in the base class before they obtain their Jobs.

I'm sure you could have the 2-handed swords start at thirty, and have the GLA abilities do something unique with the two handed weapon at the point (shield bash would be a pommel strike instead for example)

[XanderOlivieri]

I'm sure you could have the 2-handed swords start at thirty, and have the GLA abilities do something unique with the two handed weapon at the point (shield bash would be a pommel strike instead for example)

All the class skills have restricted animations. You wouldn't be able to use a Gladiator's Shield Skills without a skill. As an Arcanist, when I use Thaumaturge magic, I use the same animation as a Thaumaturge's one handed spell casting. If I use Conjurer's Magic, I use the Conjurer's one handed casting animation.

Arcanist and every Job that comes from it will use Books. Thaumaturge Jobs will use Cudgels, Staves, Rods, Scepters (what ever they decide to call it), Conjurer related Jobs will use Cane, Wands, Rods. Gladiator Jobs will use the Sword and Dagger combo they've been using with their shield skills all requiring shields to use for the animation. Lancer jobs will require Spears or some kinda Polearm. Pugilist Jobs will use the fist weapons. Archer Jobs will use Bows, and future holds positive for crossbows. Mauraders will use the two handed Axes. I hope they add one handed Axes to them since its still close enough like the Paladin's Daggers.

If they added new weapons to the classes, we'd need new animations to match each of their preset skills and the base class would be able to use them as well. The current armory system relies too heavily on the base class. Once you beat the main story, the gear all relies on role. Unless they recton main jobs into hybrid roles, there isn't much hope for cross class connectivity with brand new gear unrelated to the current gear set.

Two Handed swords would probably be a new class since the Gladiator's style is Sword and Shield.

[Bakiraka]

Bad thread, no! Bad! Why aren't you on the front page like you are supposed to be? *hits on the nose with rolled-up newspaper*

[kidvideo]

From the journal of Louisoix Leveilleur:
"Lances of light herald the dawn,
Beckoning shadows deeper still.
Splendor dances with shades
Unsheathed, a rime kissed blade
Spills crimson o'er fields of white."

"lances of light". I'm calling it. Musketeer job in the Maelstrom update.