"If you die twice, you're out"

[Massterchef]

I think you are the one living in your little bubble of despair.

Agreed.

/words

[Gandora]

Agreed.

/words

[SarcasmMisser]

Being called an elitist is practically a compliment at this point.

[Rahsch]

I often see it stated that you die once it's an auto-boot :/

I see it go as far as. If you die once your booted and blacklisted. I'm like...really?

[Gramul]

I see it go as far as. If you die once your booted and blacklisted. I'm like...really?

You probably don't want to be playing with those kind of people anyway.

[Lyrinn]

I'm sure this has been said countless times already, but party finder simply makes forming groups - of any kind - easier. There is no unspoken rule that you have to be an elitist to use PF, nor is there a rule that says casual players may not use PF. If you don't like those groups, don't join them! Make your own! Shocking concepts, I know.

Players need to stop being adamant about their own views and try to understand where the other side is coming from. For example, I'm a patient player. If someone is new, I'll take the time to teach them or give them advice. I'll happily wipe 5 or 6 times before starting to become discouraged. But at the end of the day, if I want to get something done with some assurance, I want to play with people at or near my own skill level. This goes for any game. If I just want to down Titan, I don't want to go through another 20 groups and countless hours of wiping to get it done.

That is how some of those "elitist" players feel. Yes, there are some who are truly "elitist" and refuse to accept anything short of perfection, but by and large, most people just want to get things done without spending hours wiping. None of you can honestly say that you've never been frustrated with DF or pugs and that you simply wanted to get it done. None.

[Hrist_Valkyrie]

It's funny how people automatically assume they're going to spend hour wiping by helping someone. My only issue is people getting super bent out of shape just because they lost 5-10 minutes off their usual time.

[AlmightyBob]

The real problem is I ONLY see the 2 deaths and you get kicked groups. Never learning groups.

[SarcasmMisser]

Well if you want to incentivise people who have already learned it to help complete strangers you could pay them.

Oh wait :P

[Thorauku]

I'm using this kind of "filter" when I create a farm party in Party Finder. Putting 3 tries at the comment, and if I think the party is doing great and just had a few understandable mistakes, might consider a 4th run or even 5th.