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  1. #21
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    SpookyGhost's Avatar
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    Kori Fleming
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    BLM promoted to best Bone Dragon MT.

    If only Manawall was a THM ability, could go in as THM and cross class Provoke just for that moment. :P

    I'm curious if Virus or E4E has any effect on the Chaos Breath damage since Galv seems to, could be worth testing.
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    Grembo Zavia
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    Folk don't know you can stun that move :/

    EDIT: Ok I see the OP mentions stunning evil eye, I always assumed stunning evil eye stopped the chaos breath too. I've often had the icon over my head but not once have I been hit for 4-5k after stunning evil eye.
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    Last edited by Grembo; 02-20-2014 at 03:53 AM.

  3. #23
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    Krazy Kat
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    i HG it as pld so the mages dont have to worry about the dmg after it
    thrill of battle on war and get my 10000+hps and its not that bad either
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    Traek Darksoul
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    Quote Originally Posted by krazyrs View Post
    i HG it as pld so the mages dont have to worry about the dmg after it
    thrill of battle on war and get my 10000+hps and its not that bad either
    ToB makes you take more damage. You should use ToB after the hit, along with convalescence slightly before it goes off to be topped and have heals more effective after the large hit. You take a flat 70% of max HP as Malweys points out, and I've tested with ToB as well.
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  5. #25
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    Quote Originally Posted by Traek View Post
    ToB makes you take more damage. You should use ToB after the hit, along with convalescence slightly before it goes off to be topped and have heals more effective after the large hit. You take a flat 70% of max HP as Malweys points out, and I've tested with ToB as well.
    Something to consider is popping ToB before the hit and getting galvanize'd since you'll get a larger shield. Also you'll take less damage with ToB up since it's % based, meaning even if you need more heals to get to full you'll still have more cushion health after the hit.

    Edit: Hrm, on second thought I'm not sure if galvanize would be a larger shield with ToB or not. I know SS is, not sure about Adlo/Succor shields.
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    Last edited by SpookyGhost; 02-20-2014 at 05:11 AM.

  6. #26
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    Traek Darksoul
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpookyGhost View Post
    Something to consider is popping ToB before the hit and getting galvanize'd since you'll get a larger shield. Also you'll take less damage with ToB up since it's % based, meaning even if you need more heals to get to full you'll still have more cushion health after the hit.

    Edit: Hrm, on second thought I'm not sure if galvanize would be a larger shield with ToB or not. I know SS is, not sure about Adlo/Succor shields.
    Unless you will die from the hit, using ToB after will be better. You are also assuming that the SCH is actually paying attention, and coordinated enough to actually Adlo for the specific hit. This would be incredibly rare in a pug, and not even worth the risk for what I don't think would be a benefit. Galvanize doesn't put up extra HP from the ToB buff. It'll be better to use ToB after, again, unless you will die otherwise.

    Also, SS might be a stronger buff with ToB *overall* but you are talking about a % of a health increase. For example, a whm stoneskin will be 18% if the max HP. We'll use my char as an example. No party + Defiance I'll be at about 8365 health. A whm stoneskin (18%) is going to put up 1505.7 HP shield on me with this health. Now lets say I use ToB, I am now at 10038 (, the whm stoneskins me (18%) and I will have a 1806.84 HP shield. What have I gained? 301.14 HP shield. While this is nothing to sneeze at normally, it isn't a 1673 HP *gained* by ToB in our Bone Dragon scenario. Also consider the % increased before the hit will certainly make you take more damage, 7058.1 HP Chaos Breath vs. 5855.5 Chaos Breath, which is a 1202.6 increase in damage. This is health unmitigated, and therefore needing to be healed to get to full, unlike using ToB after, which is health *gained* by the Warrior. Seeming as 1202.6 damage taken > 301.14 shield, it'd still be worse. You'd be 901.46 HP in the hole, instead of gaining the 1673 HP.

    Check me on that though, I don't claim to be a math wiz.

    *Edit* I'm not sure why I am using % health, Adloq doesn't even have this on it, and SS doesn't work on Chaos Breath either. I guess this is a PSA for other % HP events Lol. Galvanized is based off amount healed, which has nothing to do with max health. Edited some of prev paragraph so as not to confuse people.
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    Last edited by Traek; 02-20-2014 at 06:58 AM.

  7. #27
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    Genji Xiii
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    You may take more damage with ToB up but you will be left with more hp after the hit. With convalescence to recover the gap ull be fine.


    Alternatively you could hit ToB right after for an approx 1.5k heal. You also have second wind at ur disposal. Realistically not a threatening ability, but great to know that SE thinks of abilities that effect tanks at all gear levels.
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