Twintania and strange aggro behavior

[Traek]

It is a bug actually. It never happened before 2.1, and has since happened to our group every time we pull after 2.1. I tank this weekly and have seen the difference myself. It has nothing to do with buffs being used, or proximity, etc. It is simply random aggro on people standing completely still waiting for the pull. We've tried with buffs/no buffs, no pets, etc. and the result is the same.

The work around is simple as people have posted, just run in and use any buff and they'll all stick on you. It can be Fight or Flight, I personally use Thrill of Battle, or whatever one you wish. I am not sure why SE hasn't caught this, or why there isn't more talk on it. Perhaps its just something most tanks learn to work around fairly quick. Its pretty chaos for new tanks though. Lol Also, was a bit of a shock the first few times running T5 after 2.1.

[Sigred]

It is a bug actually. It never happened before 2.1[...]

No, it isn't. Yes, it did.

Source: Farming Twintania for 3 months.

[Traek]

No, it isn't. Yes, it did.

Source: Farming Twintania for 3 months.

Yes it is. No it didn't.

Source: Me Pulling/Tanking Twintania before and after 2.1, as well as my Co-Tank seeing/experience the same thing at the same time.

[Sigred]

Pulling/Tanking Twintania before and after 2.1

We've been doing this since before 2.1, and saw the exact same thing as we see now. The behavior of the mobs is the same as pre-2.1. The behavior of players, however, tends to change as time goes on. The less time put into a fight, the less likely non-tanks are to jump the gun. You're probably only seeing it now because the rest of your group is more likely to start hitting abilities in that first 1-3GCDs.

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The only thing that may be a bug is if an add does literally go directly to a player that has done absolutely nothing at max range. I say may because it would be more likely to simply be an algorithm determining priority of targets when the aggro table is active, but no player is actually on it.

[Traek]

We've been doing this since before 2.1, and saw the exact same thing as we see now. The behavior of the mobs is the same as pre-2.1. The behavior of players, however, tends to change as time goes on. The less time put into a fight, the less likely non-tanks are to jump the gun. You're probably only seeing it now because the rest of your group is more likely to start hitting abilities in that first 1-3GCDs.

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The only thing that may be a bug is if an add does literally go directly to a player that has done absolutely nothing at max range. I say may because it would be more likely to simply be an algorithm determining priority of targets when the aggro table is active, but no player is actually on it.

I've been doing this since before 2.1 as well, and there is definitely a difference in aggroe pattern from before and after. As noticed by everyone in my group. Every single person doing the same thing on the same job. No abilities used, even stand still with pets away it still went to different people in the group. You are simply wrong. Our whole pull method was changed based on the change in aggroe pattern from after 2.1.

I like that you tout you've been downing it for so long. If anything your "farm" of T5 shows your lack of experience to groups who sit and wipe face on it constantly and have to pull multiple times, compared to your *one and done*. Either way, there is no explanation for mobs going after a stand still no buff party member, that is no where near the pull. Aggroe is obviously borked on this fight, and the fact a single buff from the pulling tank fixes the issue is more proof something is amiss.

[Sigred]

If anything your "farm" of T5 shows your lack of experience to groups who sit and wipe face on it constantly and have to pull multiple times, compared to your *one and done*.

You think my group didn't spend countless hours wiping over and over in order to establish a working, reliable strategy? I'm flattered that you have such faith in my ability that we simply walked in and instantly put her on farm status.

Look, from my PoV, you're simply wrong too. My group encounters the same behavior, logically examined the circumstances that reproduce it, deduced the conditions responsible for it, and formulated the strategy that would prevent it from happening from empirical experience.

If you cannot see the value of that, or are truly experiencing a completely different set of circumstances, then we must simply agree to disagree on the matter.

Side note: I don't believe you actually have any meaningful grasp on how logic really works, but neither do the majority of people. There would be no point in me advancing my case any longer. I've put the info out there, so say whatever you like; those who can take something away from reading it will.