Is anyone else bothered by the lack of incentive for mediocre players to improve?

[Samsta]

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On shiva I have never seen any pf groups the are "ranged only", I have seen people talking about them here on the forums but I have literally seen them 0 times.

On the topic, you really should avoid sentences like "casuals will always get their way", it doesn't take much brain to figure out why people call you elitist if you use language like that. I just don't see the problem here, If I understand your problem right, it is that you think "casuals" can get their gear too easily. What you have to understand here is that this game is designed in a way that is has hard content which will reward you with great gear, and then it has gear that takes time instead of effort. Players who have full myth gear by now have invested a good load of time to get that gear. Now first of all you are trying to force your own way of getting gear to everyone, sorry, but this game is designed in a way that you can get good gear by not doing the hardest of all the content. It is a very brilliant game design: "casuals" can enjoy it, and guys who like to get absolutely the best(allagan weapon is the only ilvl95 gear right now) and challenge the hardest content, can do the hardest content and enjoy it. What is the problem here? You will always have bad players in a game that requires team play, what gear they get has nothing to do with that, join a good fc, form your own group and play with them. I don't see any reason to be anal pained over the fact that other players get their gear in a certain way.

If you just simply can't stand that and you still can't enjoy the game I have something to say for you: You indeed are an elitist and the solution for you is: Please stop playing the game, it is designed the way it is, and it might not be for you. The community won't lose anything if guys like you leave.

[illuminapanic]

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Never said ranged only and no you did not understand my problem right. I never stated anywhere that I cared about how they got their gear. My problem is that people want to be carried through content, as per their absurd high ilvl requirement, while not being able to perform correctly and not even caring. It's not just in 2.1 content either, it's in low level dungeons where people refuse to even take any advice. Plds who try to flash mobs before even reaching the pack and don't try to keep threat on multiple mobs anymore, Blm's who spam blizzard because they like the full mp, drgs and mnks who don't know their positionals, and the list can go on. Some of these are relic/myth people who join duty roulettes and tell you to "mind your own business" when you try to give them advice.

Maybe I should assume you are one of these lowly players who refuse any advice since you make such silly assumptions. I join duty finders and party finders because i'm bored with doing content with my group so I try and help the community. The player's who don't have the luxury of having groups to play with. But if players ask others to carry them but can't even hold their own, it's really bad. The community gets shitty from people like you.

[Samsta]

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How exactly does high ilvl requirement mean you want to be carried through content? People just want to take less risks, which is understandable. So you are having problem with people in this game? But that is not something a game can fix. I mean right now you are just blabbering about "lowly players" "the do not even care" and I have a really hard time getting your point, the game itself can't fix the player base. You really can't carry anyone through the hardest content, you need everyone to be good to complete those fights, so I don't understand how would you fix this problem of yours. A problem that I don't even recognize, sure I have seen some bad players but it's not any major problem, the things you talk about (especially the blizzard spamming) sound really weird, I have never seen that.


And again why do you care about what other people do, surely they don't affect your playing experience if you have a fc that you can run content with? The rest of your post I am just gonna ignore but I will say this: players who truly help the community don't have to repeatedly stress that fact on the forums like you do.

[SarcasmMisser]

You really can't carry anyone through the hardest content, you need everyone to be good to complete those fights, so I don't understand how would you fix this problem of yours.

I'm sure I'm a broken record at this point but there is nothing in the game that you can't carry. Nothing is that tightly tuned to the top gear, which makes sense since nothing should be tuned to the gear it drops.

I do really hope though that coil 6-9 is a lot tighter than 1-5 overall, and the difficulty is more progressive. 1-4 is just way too easy, and yes even considering i70-i80 gear which is what I first cleared it in. It just encourages bad play to have most of the loot drop in such easy content.

[illuminapanic]

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So are you saying that when you see an i80+ requirement group, that you feel more able to complete the dungeon? I guess everyone doesn't have the perfect environment like you because from personal experience, I see the same problems from a minimum entry group as an i80+ group. The failure rate is the same if people don't know how to play.

Echo buff, btw, is suppose to "fix people" in this game. It boosts you everytime or every week (I'm not sure which) you fail at turn 1-5. It'll be at the point where you will face roll it even just pressing 3 buttons. At the moment it's only for coil but I wouldn't be surprised as time goes on that it gets implemented for the extreme primals as well for every wipe that occurs . And who ever said anything about wanting the game to fix people? I simply stated that people want to be carried in this game and it's a problem.

Who truly helps the community? The people that tell you to fuck off while playing improperly and refusing to listen to advice? Nope. The people that offer the advice? Sure. The people who give false hopes by requiring an absurd entry but fail to do their part? Nope. I don't "truly" help the community by going completely out of my way, of course not, but I do join df's and pf's and do my part. I TRY to help people who aren't able to form groups or have an fc/ls to help them.

[Samsta]

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When I see groups with high ilvl requirements I get assured that we are not going to fail because of gear or because people make small mistakes. It is about leaving room for error, if you have the change to do it more safely why wouldn't you? It is just a human nature, of course I don't think the actual ilvl has anything to do with actual skill level of players who join, but the changes of success are still higher, because you can make more mistakes that would maybe wipe the party if played with lower ilvl, but now they maybe are recoverable.

I can't really add anything to this, I am just wondering why you are complaining here if you do not want to fix this situation of yours. I myself have not experienced these things so often that I would consider them to be a problem, and even if I would I don't see any point posting here without the goal of fixing this and offering solutions. There will always be baddies, that is just how it is.

[illuminapanic]

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I'm sorry, I don't blame gear when they have minimal requirements for dungeons. I don't blame gear when dungeons are easily completed with full DL gear. I blame tanks who continuously eat double wheels from garuda without cd's. I blame dps who tunnel too much and fail to realize that wheel is coming as well. I blame tanks who fail to use cd's appropriately during incinerates from ifrit or healers who get players seared at middle before ifrit hellfires. When there are mechanics that can possibly one shot an i90 player, I don't blame the gear, I blame the players who thought that higher ilvl would make them gods. Being more geared lets you make up for the slack of other players. If you need gears to make up for slackers then, imo, that is carrying. So to me, gear doesn't raise your chances of success, it just raises your chances of not dying.


I also didn't start this thread, I was more of replying to all the people who just tell the OP to fuck off and mind his own business or to solely play with only people he knows. You can't help a community who refuses to listen to others whom state what the problems are, which have been brought up by multiple posts and multiple thoughts. It would be redundant to suggest solutions that are already mentioned.

[Samsta]

gear doesn't raise your chances of success, it just raises your chances of not dying.

What ? : D you fail by dying, so if the chance of not dying is increased, your change of failing will be lowered and change of success will raise. That statement of yours doesn't really make sense.