New to Turn 5, any advice?

[Delorean]

Considering a fresh 50 tank has like 4k HP I am pretty sure that they are talking about DPS/Heal players.

Death Sentence hits for more than 4k and is followed by auto attack sometimes lol

[Spiritus]

4.4K HP for the tank or for the group? I'm confused O.O

4.4K HP for the tank is tad too little isn't it. If for the non-tanks then I don't think that's necessary, my raid has been running at 4.1K lowest (mages). I think 4K is the min but that's a bit borderline.

was saying 4.4k for party members, obviously being i85-i90 tank it's gonna be a lot higher. But apparently 4.1 or so is ok for dps and such it seems, which is good to know

[Thorauku]

Do it with single tank. It's easier.

[Ooshima]

Considering a fresh 50 tank has like 4k HP I am pretty sure that they are talking about DPS/Heal players.

Death Sentence hits for more than 4k and is followed by auto attack sometimes lol

was saying 4.4k for party members, obviously being i85-i90 tank it's gonna be a lot higher. But apparently 4.1 or so is ok for dps and such it seems, which is good to know

OK good too confirm, I was pondering for a second what kind of elite tanking skills one must have to enter T5 with 4.4K HP

Well yes our SMN and healer were at about 4177 HP and we do 4 stack fireballs fine. 5X liquid hell at the end doesn't seem to cause a problem for them too.

Last night we cleared T5 again, our BLM (pulled from another raid as our static MNK was on vacation), I think he was at about 4085HP after food. But that's borderline because there were 2 occasions he died to some mechanics probably due to borderline HP.

[Spiritus]

With single tank how do you handle the snakes? Do you tank them all?, guessing you'd have to use HG, but when the 4 die, aren't you gonna have the debuff on you as well? Also, while I'm all for the efficiency and speed of more dps, it seems like single tank method requires way more communication than I would expect from a random group of people and especially when I'm first learning the fight as well as others in the group. The one thread of thats guy who keeps getting one shot cause he has no CD's and isn't getting ald/virus/ss is enough to deter me. I'll take a slow and steady fight with less dps over more dps and random death personally. Maybe once Ive cleared it a few times (which probably wont consistently happen till 2.2) I'll try single tank.

[Soulburn32]

With single tank how do you handle the snakes? Do you tank them all?, guessing you'd have to use HG, but when the 4 die, aren't you gonna have the debuff on you as well? Also, while I'm all for the efficiency and speed of more dps, it seems like single tank method requires way more communication than I would expect from a random group of people and especially when I'm first learning the fight as well as others in the group. The one thread of thats guy who keeps getting one shot cause he has no CD's and isn't getting ald/virus/ss is enough to deter me. I'll take a slow and steady fight with less dps over more dps and random death personally. Maybe once Ive cleared it a few times (which probably wont consistently happen till 2.2) I'll try single tank.

A group should never be doing single tank method until they are dieing to twin enrage every time they get to the last phase or they have already beat it several times with 2 tanks.

In the case of the first one I would start running a program that shall not be named and find out who the weak dps is holding you back

[Thorauku]

T5 doesn't require communication at all, as long as everyone knows what they're role is, you'll be fine.

As I've said in another thread, the only communication in our chatlog is the death sentence macro and divebombs.

[Spiritus]

T5 doesn't require communication at all, as long as everyone knows what they're role is, you'll be fine.

That one little phrase there lol. Actually I find a lot of turn groups seem to know there role for a given turn, just not always how to optimize it for later turn 4 and probably 5. Honestly 5 seems a lot more unforgiving if healers don't do things like SS or Ald, virus etc. If OT doesnt place adds correctly during snakes, then MT will get debuff. If everyone doesn't move during twisters correctly. Also for single tank, how do you handle the birds, normallly a PLD would be stunning yeah?

[Thorauku]

That one little phrase there lol. Actually I find a lot of turn groups seem to know there role for a given turn, just not always how to optimize it for later turn 4 and probably 5. Honestly 5 seems a lot more unforgiving if healers don't do things like SS or Ald, virus etc. If OT doesnt place adds correctly during snakes, then MT will get debuff. If everyone doesn't move during twisters correctly. Also for single tank, how do you handle the birds, normallly a PLD would be stunning yeah?

Birds? You mean dreads? Yes, the Tank is chipping in 1 stun at first then let the Dragoon (me) handle the second stun, having a 3 caster for slow (2 BLM + 1 SMN) will most likely render the dreads not moving at all.

If healers don't do things like SS, Adloq, Virus, or any other mitigation support skills, please, don't bother party-ing with them. You'll just waste your time.

[WLotus]

It's pretty simple. Tanking it for the first time I beat it in two nights.
1. Clean pull. Idk how many times tanks just cannot start the fight cleanly. Pop bloodbath before you run in if you're ot. Lob,scorn,flash then 1,2,3 on the adds in kill order. If MT, voke, lob, and if necessary follow up with a spirit + scorn before you run it.
2. Know placements of Neurolinks. It's easy. Form a triangle.
3. Dodge divebombs. Nothing else to it. You see the icon, you run out of the pit and then run back in. Out in, out in, out in. It's a concept a 5 yr old could grasp but seems the majority of adults cannot dodge these with 100% success.