Yoshi P addresses lag. Its time to deliever...

[Miiu]

Dude it's a gif, not real time footage.[...]

Too bad there is a timer clocking down on the upper right side of the screen :P

*edit* given your edit to your post I don't really know why you even posted the gifs if you just found them amusing? How does that help anyone in any way? There are enough people already swinging blindly at random targets no need to add fuel to the fire without any solid information or background knowledge.

[Tiggy]

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I appreciate your explanation and it gives insight but -- Responsibility rightly belongs with the company which has proffered this mmo service/product as advertised.

Sub-par. Is there no OTHER company which can be hired INSTEAD of Level3 Communications? They have a monopoly eh?

SE is responsible. Period.

Actually much of the internet infrastructure is held by local monopolies. You don't have a choice when it's the only company that laid a backbone over that part of the country. This is how the internet works, and the data is automatically routed over that backbone. This is not SE's responsibility. Please learn more about the topic as you clearly don't understand how utilities or the internet function.

Relax...

Lol. I wasn't under the impression my tone was unrelaxed. I was just pointing out a problem with the so called "proof."

[Tupsi]

Still waiting for someone to show proof that SE runs the backbone that's having issues - or that they own any ISP for that matter.

Regardless, those gifs are recorded, meaning there was already lag.

But more importantly, they are so irrelevant it doesn't even matter. These are indeed old gifs, regarding an issue from months ago that has been fixed. The -current- lag issue has nothing to do with it. See previous posts for explanation (directed at OP of images).

(Btw the bomb toss gif was during beta.)

[remidi]

I can't believe people are still trying to defend SE on this. It's their ISP/Network/Servers causing the issue. Stop acting like fanboys. When every other game in existence doesn't have this issue its not hard to see where the problem is.

Distance is not an issue I live in Buffalo, NY.....

How can you sit here and blindly defend SE when we as consumers have no power to fix this.....

Verizon Fios
I72600k
GTX 680

I can connect to BF4 servers on the other side of the planet with zero lag.
I can connect to any world of warcraft server with zero lag.
I deal with lag even when I am not routed through level 3 sometimes. Also sometimes when I am routed through level 3 I get zero lag.

[Tupsi]

I can't believe people are still trying to defend SE on this. It's their ISP/Network/Servers causing the issue. Stop acting like fanboys. When every other game in existence doesn't have this issue its not hard to see where the problem is.

SE doesn't run their own ISP. It's been confirmed by ISPs to be an issue in between you and their servers, i.e Level3/Tata which are popular culprits. As some from Socal stated they have unplayable lag, yet not everyone does, that means those whose traffic run through tata end up losing packets by time they hit SE's datacenter, that isn't SE's problem.

Unless, as stated, you can show proof SE owns Tata/Sky/Level3.net?

[TeaTimeBear]

Would anyone who isn't going through these issues be willing to post a traceroute? I'm curious as to what hops people who aren't rubberbanding go through.

[Tiggy]

Still waiting for someone to show proof that SE runs the backbone that's having issues - or that they own any ISP for that matter.



(Btw the bomb toss gif was during beta.)

That's what I thought too! Wasn't even relevant to the final release at all. The other one I know was pre 2.1 since it was used in the big thread talking about the lag. It was one of the pics I thought helped bring us the .1 positional update.

As for proof Tupsi...people don't care. I've seen multiple threads with this topic, and each thread is dominated by frustrated people who have absolutely no fundamental understanding of how the internet actually works. They throw "but it doesn't happen in other games" at us like the servers physical location means absolutely nothing, and they seem to think every location on the internet is created equal and all routing to a server must of course be controlled by the company who made a video game. They don't care to learn how these things work. They only want to vent and be frustrated. Meanwhile, those of us who actually understand this technology have attempted to explain it in ways they would understand. We've met, as you know, absolutely no success in that regard. We can only talk to a brick wall for so long Tupsi.

I can't believe people are still trying to defend SE on this. It's their ISP/Network/Servers causing the issue. Stop acting like fanboys. When every other game in existence doesn't have this issue its not hard to see where the problem is.

Distance is not an issue I live in Buffalo, NY.....

How can you sit here and blindly defend SE when we as consumers have no power to fix this.....

Verizon Fios
I72600k
GTX 680

I can connect to BF4 servers on the other side of the planet with zero lag.
I can connect to any world of warcraft server with zero lag.
I deal with lag even when I am not routed through level 3 sometimes. Also sometimes when I am routed through level 3 I get zero lag.

And yet nothing you said here means anything at all to the infrastructure of the internet. No matter how close you are to the servers if you happen to go through the bad node you will get lag so you living in buffalo means absolutely nothing at all. SE does not own the ISP. SE does not own the internet. SE does not own the internet backbones causing problems. Players can indeed play on the servers with no lag and without using apps like WTFast, and it's these players who prove it is not a server issue. I don't have to be defending SE to know how the technology works and therefore your assertions are utterly wrong. Throwing the word "fanboy" at people who understand the technology will do nothing to mask the fact you clearly don't understand it.

[Omagana]

the so called "proof."

A gif of questionable frame rate isn't going to be proof of anything. I'm saying relax as in don't take it seriously.

[Tiggy]

A gif of questionable frame rate isn't going to be proof of anything. I'm saying relax as in don't take it seriously.

There is this thing called context. Someone posted the gif as if it meant something, and I pointed out it didn't. Why are you trying to tell me exactly what I was already trying to say? Also when you use the word relax I'm going to read the word relax. Use your words to convey what you actually mean please. You can't be that surprised when someone misreads what you yourself wrote.

[remidi]

That's what I thought too! Wasn't even relevant to the final release at all. The other one I know was pre 2.1 since it was used in the big thread talking about the lag. It was one of the pics I thought helped bring us the .1 positional update.
As for proof Tupsi...people don't care. I've seen multiple threads with this topic, and each thread is dominated by frustrated people who have absolutely no fundamental understanding of how the internet actually works. They throw "but it doesn't happen in other games" at us like the servers physical location means absolutely nothing, and they seem to think every location on the internet is created equal and all routing to a server must of course be controlled by the company who made a video game. They don't care to learn how these things work. They only want to vent and be frustrated. Meanwhile, those of us who actually understand this technology have attempted to explain it in ways they would understand. We've met, as you know, absolutely no success in that regard. We can only talk to a brick wall for so long Tupsi.



And yet nothing you said here means anything at all to the infrastructure of the internet. No matter how close you are to the servers if you happen to go through the bad node you will get lag so you living in buffalo means absolutely nothing at all. SE does not own the ISP. SE does not own the internet. SE does not own the internet backbones causing problems. Players can indeed play on the servers with no lag and without using apps like WTFast, and it's these players who prove it is not a server issue. I don't have to be defending SE to know how the technology works and therefore assertions are utterly wrong. Throwing the word "fanboy" at people who understand the technology will do nothing to mask the fact you clearly don't understand it.

Did you not read my post? If what I typed does not click in your head...you have issues. STOP BEING A BLIND FANBOY. I know exactly how the internet works...this isn't 1980...... distance does affect latency(You should learn what an amplifier is)....don't be stupid. Is it the end all effect? No...not at all. But it does mean something when I live right next to the Canadian border. I bring it up as people from the South have asked previously if anyone up North deals with this rubberbanding.

The lag is at random intervals and it's always when the servers have many people logged on. It does not matter which way I am routed. WTFAST may help in certain situations but that does not mean that SE isnt to blame...

Like I said..when EVERYTHING else in my library of hundreds of online games works....yea. It's not hard to see where the blame lies. Stop trying to put the blame elsewhre. There are hundreds of post on these forums...thats all the proof you need.


I know you feel cool and special trying to be all mighty and say how things work and put me down but you are wrong.



Sadly these forums are filled with Fanboys that think SE can do know wrong. You must have forgotten how broken this game was when released....but no they can't do know wrong. The latency is their issue and they have to fix it. People are only gonna stand dying to primals for so long due to know fault of their own.