There's nothing interesting happening. We have nothing to discuss.

[ReiszRie]

Yes, RMT aside. The problems with RMTs should not dictate development. Anything designed in game needs to exclude RMTs as an extrinsic variable. RMTs just need dealt with, period.

4-1: They would still need cooldowns, this is inarguable to the point. Even if i90 gear had 4 available melds, they would need to use cds.

4-2: Saying “facerolling content” is an overstatement.

4-3: Those party restrictions already exist.

4-a-1: These are indeed flaws. Even if some of these things are intended, they are still flaws. Just because something isn't a glitch doesn't mean it's not a flaw. Without further discussion, they are subjective, but almost any flaw is subjective (the cannon of beauty exemplifies this).

Again, this is a simple fix I seen mentioned before, that accepts RNG as a way of life, doesn’t create anything overpowered, stimulates the economy, and creates the horizontal progression a lot of players want.

Regardless, my agenda is fulfilled…there IS plenty to talk about yet.

RMT cannot be "dealt with" the only RMT can be "dealt with" is to make the prospect of purchasing in game currency less viable, less essential and unattractive

RMT activity was increased when players are faced with the Titan wall during their relic quests and many purchased gil to buy carries, the same would undoubtedly apply for players to buy gil for over-melding.

1. Of course, it was merely a figure of speech but it does hold some truth in it, an i90 tank can effective tank Caduceus at 4-5 stacks without using his CDs, the same can't be said for a i80/70 tank
2. It won't be an overstatement, the fact that players are steamrolling T1-4 now is largely due to their gear superiority, T2 enrage strategy is only made possible when the PT is over-geared for the encounter, overmelded gear sets would without a doubt make the top end-game boss easier
3. What party restrictions? I was pointing out that FF14 isn't a PvP centric game and thus PvP isn't integrated by game design not be design flaw
4. Its then merely what you prefer, rather than "flaws." You might prefer a Ramen's soupbase to be sweet but it doesn't mean salty ones are "flawed" its merely your preference at this point.

[Grizzlebeard]

The classic FFs that these same fans revere are more linear than FF13

You're clearly trolling if you're trying to imply FF7 is more linear than FF13.

[Roris]

Thanks for proving modern FF fans will eat up anything thrown at them and defend it while disregarding old FF games as inferior, it's sad that they really can't tell what quality is because they're so blinded by their fanboyism light or just pretty CGI that makes up for everything bad, also sure some older FF games are also linear at times, maybe the first 2-3 hours but certainly not the first 40 hours like XIII.

I rest my case, here's to more years of dumbed down Final Fantasy games, long live Final Fantasy.

[Imapooonu]

RMT cannot be "dealt with" the only RMT can be "dealt with" is to make the prospect of purchasing in game currency less viable, less essential and unattractive

RMT activity was increased when players are faced with the Titan wall during their relic quests and many purchased gil to buy carries, the same would undoubtedly apply for players to buy gil for over-melding.

I disagree. There are protocols that could be implemented to stave their efficiency. While I agree the titan wall has been influential in their success, so was the intial housing prices, and a plethora of other mitigating circumstances.

Regardless it is a separate issue that should be dealt with on it’s own. Allowing RMTs to influence game design and creativity is lazy and counter-productive in rectifying the problem.

1. Of course, it was merely a figure of speech but it does hold some truth in it, an i90 tank can effective tank Caduceus at 4-5 stacks without using his CDs, the same can't be said for a i80/70 tank.

Granted, but point stands.

2. It won't be an overstatement, the fact that players are steamrolling T1-4 now is largely due to their gear superiority, T2 enrage strategy is only made possible when the PT is over-geared for the encounter, overmelded gear sets would without a doubt make the top end-game boss easier .

That’s the point. It would hardly change anything other than preferences.

3. What party restrictions? I was pointing out that FF14 isn't a PvP centric game and thus PvP isn't integrated by game design not be design flaw.

In reference to #4 post 136.

4. Its then merely what you prefer, rather than "flaws." You might prefer a Ramen's soupbase to be sweet but it doesn't mean salty ones are "flawed" its merely your preference at this point.

Hence the use of the word “subjective”.

Anyway, it's been a pleasure disagreeing with someone in a civil and logical manner.

Thank you.

[EdwinLi]

you could always disscuss the next live letter here

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...xt-live-letter

but not many people interests in this unless the live letter is released first.

[Hyrist]

Actually, this has nothing to do on whether or not there are interesting topic to be had.

This has to do with the toxicity level of General Discussion an the fact that anyone who wants to really discuss components of the game without it devolving into the same polarized insults back and forth really, REALLY shouldn't be posting in General discussion, and therefore, don't.

[TeaTimeBear]

Thanks for proving modern FF fans will eat up anything thrown at them and defend it while disregarding old FF games as inferior, it's sad that they really can't tell what quality is because they're so blinded by their fanboyism light or just pretty CGI that makes up for everything bad, also sure some older FF games are also linear at times, maybe the first 2-3 hours but certainly not the first 40 hours like XIII.

I rest my case, here's to more years of dumbed down Final Fantasy games, long live Final Fantasy.

Are you still subbed? I'm curious.

Also while I cannot defend the story of 13 it is in no way a simple game. There are jobs that you need to apply in order to take down harder bosses. During my time playing both I'd have been in trouble if I just say there trying to brute force on any job via X. I like both modern and old FF titles this in no way gives cause for you to assume such negative aspects of ones person merely because they are able to find enjoyment in newer titles.

[Hazanko]

Edit:

A lot of you guys were missing my point. It has nothing to do with this game being Hardcore vs Casual. It's about the lack of anything interesting to do (or discuss). I mean, what is there even to discuss about this game that hasn't already been said a billion times? This live letter gave us nothing new to talk about. Hell, there are new Coil turns in 2.2 and they revealed more info about the OLD Coil turns.

SE is simply just dropping the ball on trickling out info to maintain hype for the game. We never get to see patch notes, or test stuff on the PTR or anything. And these live letters are way too far apart.

Can't agree with you more Omniwaink! ^-^

[Goodberry]

the thing here is at this point, those of us who was taking their time (the "causal playerbase")and doing everything slowly (in my cases super slowly) has hit the "there is nothing to do" wall and wondering why im still logging on.most of my FC has quit and went back to their previous MMOs and those who havent is sadly waiting for the other MMOs to come out. im close to it as i just need to get a few more classes their relics and then i will be asking "now what?"

Maybe my saving grace is that I can play only weekends. But I stand my point: our expectations from any game in terms of content and playing hours are overblown. We should not expect a single game to occupy our whole spare time, nor it is possible with content that it's always fresh. After a certain number of hours, if you want to go on playing you'll have to repeat things you have already done. There is no way around it, unless you wander around and really explore every meter of the virtual world.

[Mjollnir]

Didn't they just release another Final Fantasy game to tide us over until patch 2.2?

(and I'll say the same next month, except that one will Tidus over to patch 2.2)