And this is how people never get better. We've ALL been green in a dungeon before. Not giving folks the chance to learn is what causes these unnecessary dungeon nerf pleads. Not everyone learns from just watching videos. Since the only time I'm hitting these dungeons is for my daily roulette now, I don't mind walking the group through each boss scenario, be it as my DRG or my WAR. I completely agree about it being harder with lower level gear *and honestly people should not be jumping into dungeons at the minimum iLVL, its as if you're asking for a carry from the group,* but it's still passable if you take your time. After the 1st boss, the rest of the dungeon (even Siren so long as the healer knows to keep you topped up in certain situations) is cake. When the dungeon is done, collect the 3 commendations afterwards