Hard time choosing my DPSer.

[EasymodeX]

So, when you first look at the description of the summoner class, and I mean really first time touching anything related to FF14 or at character creation, the first thing (or things) you see with your eyes are "parsers"; "black mage"; "UI"; "FF-vet" and "role sharing"...?

Ehm... Ok, sure... lol...

When you first look at the forums and ask about what's a good DPS class, and everyone and their idiot brother says that SMNs do crappy DPS according to early versions of parsers, you might avoid the class.

When you first load up the game and you remember how cool your black mage from FF1 was, and how iconic Vivi is with the cone hat, yeah. Black Mage. Summoners have been popular in FF as well, however their look and lore have changed and never been as consistent and clear as Black Mages.

By level 10-20, if you hate the pet controls, yes many players reroll something else. In addition, many players who have played other MMORPGs may just avoid pet classes in general, especially if they've been burned by them before (lol WAR WL pathing at release).

Ehm. Yeah. Lol. Ok.

This is always the most curious complaint people have. [..] Especially for those who remember when summoning only elicited cursing because those 2minute scenes weren't skippable.

Haha, while people were annoyed at the silly long disc-era summon animations, summons themselves have always been big and badass. A giant Ifrit flying across the screen with fire flashing everywhere ... not a small pet poking a plastic fist at the enemy.

It's a bit underwhelming if you care/cared a lot about the FF summons in general.

[Asdamine]

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1st paragraph - No one said anything about summoner doing crap dps in this entire thread, and you won't find info on "crap" dps from character creation now, would it?;

2nd paragraph - The OP is a newbie started a week ago, I don't think he will "remember" any non-existent memories from a game he has not yet played;

3nd Paragraph - Some of us already said that... why are you repeating it?

Ehm, yeah, lol, ok.

[kukurumei]

BRD is necessary? Interesting. The only reason we bring a BRD to 1-4 is for Silences on ADS since we have PLD/WAR and no MNK (and our "main" BRD is actually a meh-geared alt of one of our DRG, only used for ADS; he doesn't even BRD Caddie), OR we're down a DPS for the week and since BRD gear is the only gear we don't need, we grab a BRD (MNK gear is claimed by someone).

We've downed T4 many times without a BRD (in fact, our best ones have been DRG, DRG, MNK, SMN, don't even have to worry which Dread eats the bugs in P6 with that set-up), and probably will only need one when we actually start trying to down T5...until we know the fight, which then the BRD will be useless again.

And yes...we have a SMN in our Static...and he's more than able to be the only magic DPS in T4.

We have done it without a bard in T4, it was like pulling teeth

Healer: pulling teeth in p5 mp is critically low, living on spell to spell.
Melee : fcking peon where's my peon
Tanks: OMFG I ran out of TP for the first time
blm: sorry was just short due to bad grouping, anyone have a foe requiem.

Having a bard makes everything better!

Tanks and melees have their TP through the fight. No one looses enmity, no one runs out of TP from aoe spam
Blms have no problem downing phase 2-4 with foe
healers have no problem with P5 with soul voice ballad

Enrage, what enrage?
and bard puts up impressive dps even without those stuff (the brd can also spam AoE with peon, adding a full aoe team).

Smn excuse 1: dps!
When you talk about dps, SMN aren't impressive, they burst badly, and it takes time

Smn excuse 2: Parsers are wrong
Yes it's a fight club thing when it comes to parsers, but mnks do just fine parsing and a 3rd of their damage is now on dot too.

Smn excuse 3: versatility
Huh what? combat raise? Brds better support, blms are better aoe, and they can both burst faster, and aoe harder and more consistant

Smn exuse 4: You jut haven't seen good smn
So you need an uber smn to beat the advance of a mediocre brd or blm or mnk?

Smn are very good at enmity in 2.0, but 2.1 made a lot of that irrelevant and mobile. Their super virus was a great thing, but now with anti-bodies, that's all shot up. Smn are very mobile, but with the way fights go, it isn't even much an issue anymore.

There is a place for everyone, but there's no denying Bard is still high high high up in the totem poll.

[PArcher]

There is a place for everyone, but there's no denying Bard is still high high high up in the totem poll.

...For groups that are bad...

Yes I will keep harping on this because it is true more often than not, outside of a static that has a BRD because they have a person who likes being BRD.

Great...now I need to edit this to correct you again...

Tanks and melees have their TP through the fight. No one looses enmity, no one runs out of TP from aoe spam

Bad tanks and melee run out of TP. Plain and simple. Learn to manage it better.

Blms have no problem downing phase 2-4 with foe

The only reason to bring a BRD...but if you have 2 BLM or BLM SMN, there isn't a reason to just bring the BRD over a second melee

healers have no problem with P5 with soul voice ballad

Undergeared WHM may need Ballad...but let me stress it again...undergeared. Past a certain point, and once you know the fight...guess what? No more Ballad...

and bard puts up impressive dps even without those stuff (the brd can also spam AoE with peon, adding a full aoe team).

And...no. Just no. If a BRD is doing as much damage (especially while singing Ballad or Paeon) as any other DPS...your group sucks. Plain and simple.


EDIT: and I hit my post count for the day! One last thing to say, kukurumei...you're not helping yourself out of the hole you dug with your newest posts. I really do suggest you, and your group, learn how to play your classes much more efficiently. And stop getting out-DPSed by a BRD singing Paeon or Ballad...that shouldn't be happening at all...

[kukurumei]

...For groups that are bad...

Yes I will keep harping on this because it is true more often than not, outside of a static that has a BRD because they have a person who likes being BRD.

That's the same excuse that Wars made in 2.0

Look what happened.

[EasymodeX]

1st paragraph - No one said anything about summoner doing crap dps in this entire thread, and you won't find info on "crap" dps from character creation now, would it?;

It was prevalent across the Internet for quite a while.

2nd paragraph - The OP is a newbie started a week ago, I don't think he will "remember" any non-existent memories from a game he has not yet played;

Really. A player who gets FF14 without having played any FFs beforehand? Yeah, I wonder what fraction of the population falls under that category.

3nd Paragraph - Some of us already said that... why are you repeating it?

"UI";

You really are a dumbass aren't you?

[kukurumei]

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So all your rebuttal is

You're bad...

Wow, just wow.

FYI, how does a tank(especially pld) "waste" TP from being bad?...Is he not flashing enough (wait that would need more MP a bard would ballad) is he not doing his threat combo[there's only 1] (wait that would mean tp which a bard would peon)

so...the solution is..."stand there" or is there a magical TP speed up trick for plds?

again just wow... "you must be bad" is like the worse internet excuse.

[T0rin]

So all your rebuttal is

You're bad...

Wow, just wow.

...

again just wow... "you must be bad" is like the worse internet excuse.

To be fair, everything in your posts do indicate that you are bad.

[Asdamine]

It was prevalent across the Internet for quite a while.

And why would you expand the scope of this thread to the expanse of the internet? The OP asked a question and you go on talk about parser and internet and idiotic brother, I don't even...

Really. A player who gets FF14 without having played any FFs beforehand? Yeah, I wonder what fraction of the population falls under that category.

OP said he is new, what now?

"UI";

I don't even... wha..?

You really are a dumbass aren't you?

I answer the OP on point, you just auto-fire like a cowboy, sounds to me you are confused.

LOL

[kukurumei]

To be fair, everything in your posts do indicate that you are bad.

Then what makes the rest of the population that haven't even got to the point at which I(since you're using me as a convenient excuse) have cleared...

bad-er?

Less trash talk, more facts. Only thing said was "I have done it!" So what, it's still pulling teeth.

What does a SMN give me in T4, that a bard doesn't give me, only better and smoother?

This feels like the Warrior 2.0 excuse. "I won't admit it! everyone is bad! nothing is wrong, nothing! they're just doing it wrong"