Hard time choosing my DPSer.

[NeoAmon]

Damage over time appeals to a lot of people.

Stop posting stupidity.

The Summoner is the least-played job. Trying to fabricate a link to DoT damage is idiotic.

It took me 6 weeks to find a Summoner for Coil. Wish more players knew it is an awesome job.

[kukurumei]

It took me 6 weeks to find a Summoner for Coil. Wish more players knew it is an awesome job.

When do you ever need a smn in coil?? They are lukewarm at best.

Turn1:
With current iLvL any job can do it but you want at least 1 melee for LB or 2 melee for double tail baiting
You'll want a brd if your ilvl doesn't allow you to brute force it for slime feeding and ballad, or foe, silence (you need that silence)
Smn does pretty darn badly on slimes, and you may even run the risk of killing to early with too much dotting

Turn 1 summary: smn low on the totem-poll

Turn2: Enrage method makes everyone but the healers and bards moot. 1 Melee for single target LB, 3xhealers normally, and brd up.
turn 2 summary : smn mid-low on the totem-poll

turn3: why bother..

turn4: brds and pld are the only real requirements, but you need at least 1 physical, and 1 magical, and frankly blm's really shine here, since smns got nerfed(both the lost of thunder and the bane reflect was patched) Sure you have shadow flare, but that's pretty minor, and you will never beat a blm with the 3-target bane restriction on phase 3.

Sure you can have titan-egi to bait the rook, but ilvl makes those older tactics kinda...

turn 4 smn summary: mid-low. Blms are just that much better when you have the brd(and it's more or less mandatory)

Turn5: You can do a lot of baiting with pets, and Bane is really really good here, but it's less job specific these days with the ilvl decently good, and the burns are not as crazy.
Turn 5 smn summary: middle

In summary the best dps class in coil is still bard.... only turn1 really can you skip the bard. The others losing a brd is a painful experience.

[PArcher]

In summary the best dps class in coil is still bard.... only turn1 really can you skip the bard. The others losing a brd is a painful experience.

BRD is necessary? Interesting. The only reason we bring a BRD to 1-4 is for Silences on ADS since we have PLD/WAR and no MNK (and our "main" BRD is actually a meh-geared alt of one of our DRG, only used for ADS; he doesn't even BRD Caddie), OR we're down a DPS for the week and since BRD gear is the only gear we don't need, we grab a BRD (MNK gear is claimed by someone).

We've downed T4 many times without a BRD (in fact, our best ones have been DRG, DRG, MNK, SMN, don't even have to worry which Dread eats the bugs in P6 with that set-up), and probably will only need one when we actually start trying to down T5...until we know the fight, which then the BRD will be useless again.

And yes...we have a SMN in our Static...and he's more than able to be the only magic DPS in T4.

[kukurumei]

BRD is necessary? Interesting. The only reason we bring a BRD to 1-4 is for Silences on ADS since we have PLD/WAR and no MNK (and our "main" BRD is actually a meh-geared alt of one of our DRG, only used for ADS; he doesn't even BRD Caddie), OR we're down a DPS for the week and since BRD gear is the only gear we don't need, we grab a BRD (MNK gear is claimed by someone).

We've downed T4 many times without a BRD (in fact, our best ones have been DRG, DRG, MNK, SMN, don't even have to worry which Dread eats the bugs in P6 with that set-up), and probably will only need one when we actually start trying to down T5...until we know the fight, which then the BRD will be useless again.

And yes...we have a SMN in our Static...and he's more than able to be the only magic DPS in T4.

We have done it without a bard in T4, it was like pulling teeth

Healer: pulling teeth in p5 mp is critically low, living on spell to spell.
Melee : fcking peon where's my peon
Tanks: OMFG I ran out of TP for the first time
blm: sorry was just short due to bad grouping, anyone have a foe requiem.

Having a bard makes everything better!

Tanks and melees have their TP through the fight. No one looses enmity, no one runs out of TP from aoe spam
Blms have no problem downing phase 2-4 with foe
healers have no problem with P5 with soul voice ballad

Enrage, what enrage?
and bard puts up impressive dps even without those stuff (the brd can also spam AoE with peon, adding a full aoe team).

Smn excuse 1: dps!
When you talk about dps, SMN aren't impressive, they burst badly, and it takes time

Smn excuse 2: Parsers are wrong
Yes it's a fight club thing when it comes to parsers, but mnks do just fine parsing and a 3rd of their damage is now on dot too.

Smn excuse 3: versatility
Huh what? combat raise? Brds better support, blms are better aoe, and they can both burst faster, and aoe harder and more consistant

Smn exuse 4: You jut haven't seen good smn
So you need an uber smn to beat the advance of a mediocre brd or blm or mnk?

Smn are very good at enmity in 2.0, but 2.1 made a lot of that irrelevant and mobile. Their super virus was a great thing, but now with anti-bodies, that's all shot up. Smn are very mobile, but with the way fights go, it isn't even much an issue anymore.

There is a place for everyone, but there's no denying Bard is still high high high up in the totem poll.

[PArcher]

There is a place for everyone, but there's no denying Bard is still high high high up in the totem poll.

...For groups that are bad...

Yes I will keep harping on this because it is true more often than not, outside of a static that has a BRD because they have a person who likes being BRD.

Great...now I need to edit this to correct you again...

Tanks and melees have their TP through the fight. No one looses enmity, no one runs out of TP from aoe spam

Bad tanks and melee run out of TP. Plain and simple. Learn to manage it better.

Blms have no problem downing phase 2-4 with foe

The only reason to bring a BRD...but if you have 2 BLM or BLM SMN, there isn't a reason to just bring the BRD over a second melee

healers have no problem with P5 with soul voice ballad

Undergeared WHM may need Ballad...but let me stress it again...undergeared. Past a certain point, and once you know the fight...guess what? No more Ballad...

and bard puts up impressive dps even without those stuff (the brd can also spam AoE with peon, adding a full aoe team).

And...no. Just no. If a BRD is doing as much damage (especially while singing Ballad or Paeon) as any other DPS...your group sucks. Plain and simple.


EDIT: and I hit my post count for the day! One last thing to say, kukurumei...you're not helping yourself out of the hole you dug with your newest posts. I really do suggest you, and your group, learn how to play your classes much more efficiently. And stop getting out-DPSed by a BRD singing Paeon or Ballad...that shouldn't be happening at all...

[kukurumei]

...For groups that are bad...

Yes I will keep harping on this because it is true more often than not, outside of a static that has a BRD because they have a person who likes being BRD.

That's the same excuse that Wars made in 2.0

Look what happened.

[kukurumei]

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So all your rebuttal is

You're bad...

Wow, just wow.

FYI, how does a tank(especially pld) "waste" TP from being bad?...Is he not flashing enough (wait that would need more MP a bard would ballad) is he not doing his threat combo[there's only 1] (wait that would mean tp which a bard would peon)

so...the solution is..."stand there" or is there a magical TP speed up trick for plds?

again just wow... "you must be bad" is like the worse internet excuse.

[T0rin]

So all your rebuttal is

You're bad...

Wow, just wow.

...

again just wow... "you must be bad" is like the worse internet excuse.

To be fair, everything in your posts do indicate that you are bad.

[NeoAmon]

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There is something important to understand from Raid leader point of view, diversity is far superior to stacking regardless of jobs need & want. The reason behind this is for progression, the more flexible the team is the more options you have tackling end game contents. It does not matter if someone killed the boss before you and posted the strat, what matters is how your own group handle the boss and create their own unique strat.

SMN brings a lot to the table, like every other job in the game. In Raids damage is not everything, otherwise for Titan ex stack 4x MNKs/DRG or Bards for ez mode kill. So yeah SMNs are important not because of their damage but what they bring to the table overall. I mean you can't say for T1-T2 I will stack Job X and then for T4 I will find me a BLM to face roll T4. It is a static after all, not rental service (for the lack of a better term).