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  1. #11
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    T0rin's Avatar
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    Torin Escarpa
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    Sargatanas
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    Summoner Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Ardan View Post
    I honestly don't know what to say to that.
    That bad players should attempt to improve before repeatedly calling for class buffs? Or should not base requests for class buffs based on their own poor personal performance? Either of those two works.

    Edit: And just to be clear, Akiza is full i90. And to further the clarity, sub-200 dps on Titan HM in full i90 is really bad. (you basically stand still and go balls out DPS the entire fight)
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    Last edited by T0rin; 02-11-2014 at 06:41 AM.

  2. #12
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    Ardan Lauriers
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    Ultros
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    Arcanist Lv 60
    I always cringe when I see other SMNs playing poorly. I feel myself die a little when it happens. If they're new to the class I could let it slide, but if you're full ilvl90 there is no and I mean zero excuse why you should perform poorly. You should know by the time you get decked out in almost the best gear how to play your class properly.
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  3. #13
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    Balanar Highborn
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    Faerie
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    Pugilist Lv 50
    Just did 1-4 with a smn panda bear on faerie server he did 220 dps and 85 dps on pet he did good in my book all classes are in the same boat if the player lack skill they will say the class sucks that why monk got buffed in the first place everyone sucked but 2% of the monk population of it even work for the smn and drg I seem full i90 drg only pull 110 dps and Titan ex the tank out dps them people need to reach there job and there combos the info is out there put it to use.
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  4. #14
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    xxalucard's Avatar
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    Nurse Joy
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    Goblin
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    Arcanist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by raikage View Post
    Just did 1-4 with a smn panda bear on faerie server he did 220 dps and 85 dps on pet he did good in my book all classes are in the same boat if the player lack skill they will say the class sucks that why monk got buffed in the first place everyone sucked but 2% of the monk population of it even work for the smn and drg I seem full i90 drg only pull 110 dps and Titan ex the tank out dps them people need to reach there job and there combos the info is out there put it to use.

    "85 dps on pet" --> this is why I don't trust parsers.
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  5. #15
    Player Akiza's Avatar
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    Rhel Eryut
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    Gilgamesh
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    Summoner Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by T0rin View Post
    Funny part is I think he/she is serious. To date, they all follow a general trend of 'SMN is weak, needs more stuff to feel powerful'. I assumed it was trolling early on. Then I was bored one day after killing Ex Titan like 15 times in a row and still not seeing the earring, and joined a random PF Titan HM group for 'fun'. Akiza was in that group. Parsed under 200 DPS. It then became clear to me why he/she repeatedly advocates for SMN buffs.
    Torin you parsed me at just under 200 DPS how is that even possible ruin does 220 DPS by itself and the Pet does anywhere from
    205 DPS - 225 add that up and my DPS is little over 400 DPS being conservative.
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  6. #16
    Player Akiza's Avatar
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    Rhel Eryut
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    Gilgamesh
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    Summoner Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by T0rin View Post
    LOL WTF? Summon 3 Egis, do you realize how completely OP this would be? Summon the full primal? I don't even know what you had in mind for Armageddon, but it sure sounds OP as well. You'd have to nerf the crap out of DoT damage and Egi ability damage before you could even remotely consider a change as substantial as this.
    It won't be OP because when the level cap gets raised other classes will get new abilities added. That's why it's called Summoner wish list for level cap raise
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  7. #17
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    Torin Escarpa
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    Sargatanas
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    Summoner Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Akiza View Post
    Torin you parsed me at just under 200 DPS how is that even possible ruin does 220 DPS by itself and the Pet does anywhere from
    205 DPS - 225 add that up and my DPS is little over 400 DPS being conservative.
    Ha. A little over 400 DPS being conservative, with your pet doing over 200 itself. Now I know you're trolling. Or just really silly.
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  8. #18
    Player Akiza's Avatar
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    Rhel Eryut
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    Gilgamesh
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    Summoner Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Vinroke View Post
    Oh god yes, would love to have the ability to summon more than 1 egi at a time. Should probably have it just 2 egis at a time though, otherwise you'll get trolls who constant bring out Titan in situations where he isn't needed.

    Love the idea of pets giving party wide buffs. Not exactly thrilled about a 5 min cooldown or 30 sec summon, though :/

    Shiva would need something other than slow - SMNs already have that as an AoE, perhaps a range extension on it?
    5 min cooldown to Summon a Primal for 30s is kinda rough so SMN should have a ability to summon the Primals permanently with a 5 min cool down or for summon out a primal for 30s with a 60s cool down using up an Aetherflow stack.
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  9. #19
    Player Akiza's Avatar
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    Rhel Eryut
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    Gilgamesh
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    Summoner Lv 100
    Ok I got a reasonable Summoner upgrade for level cap raise
    -An ability to summon out two Egis
    -An ability to summon out the Primals permanently using three Aetherflow stacks and a 60s cool down.
    -An ability to absorb the Egi and use Armageddon and automatically summon out elemental every 20s.
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    Last edited by Akiza; 02-12-2014 at 01:05 AM.

  10. #20
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    Lemon Nate
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    Leviathan
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    Pugilist Lv 50
    Boy, if you think that's reasonable..... I have no words for you. Level cap raise doesn't mean you suddenly becoming OP even if all jobs got OP.
    I think this is reasonable for monk as well:
    _ Greased Lightning 5. That's right, not just 4 but 5.
    _ Stacking Dragon Kick debuff for all monks you have in the party so 4 monks would mean 40% blunt resistance debuff.
    _ Ability to cast single target LB3 on a 30s CD.
    /sarcasm off
    That's how OP your suggestion sounds.

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