I play about 5-6 hours a day while also holding down a 40 hrs per week job. I have an i80 smn, i74 blm, and i72 bard. Other combat classes are at least 30, and I have levels in all the crafting classes. I haven't even started on Coil or Extremes. Given how much I play, it's not due to lack of time. I just chose to take my time. So while I think Casual Carl should realize that Long-grind Lenny is also playing the way they enjoy, LG Larry needs to realize that CC plays the way they like. Neither side is "right" about how you should play the game, because there's not just one way to play it.