If you didn't start PvP before, then don't start ever?

[WiseWolfHolo]

At this point I am done with pvp. As a white mage it is a severe beating.

With 30 ish losses and maybe 5 wins. It is absolutely not fun to try to get better.

This but mainly because do not have all the fancy skills, that let us be honest SE should have a balance system that separates us by rank, not by level. Another thing I have started to notice is those that lag in PvP have a huge advantages because they warp, such a great system that someone is beside me and then on the other side of the wall. What SE really needs to do is remove the win/loss record and just call it wins or not even have it at all and instead just judge the system by PvP rank.

[Delorean]

So don't? I wouldn't.

Gear treadmills in games that are supposed to be about strategy are lame. That and, honestly, I spent about 5 minutes playing the PvP for this game and it looks like a live alpha. Everyone speeding around like speedy gonzalez, you can never tell whether or not a target is actually in range of a melee attack, camera too close to the character to be able to even see what's going on around you and there are CC effects that can last 30 seconds.

I mean, I am glad that at least some players enjoy it, but from my point of view it's a very disappointing feature that was released without being polished.

[Eldelphia]

All it would take to improve the PvP grind is to put people into ranked brackets. I'm a reasonably experienced PvP healer from other games who is by no means an expert and hasn't grinded to 30. I've started and I'm going to spam 30's and 40's. Let people's first experience of PvP be with other people in the same boat and it would be a lot more fun and fair for all. Rank 30s won't get bored/frustrated and everyone else gets to learn with their peers.

[Vaeria]

Boo..accidently cleared 1st message. Anyway..if negative comments are bothering ya enough to report em, can just switch chat log over from General to Battle lol..problem solved immediately. As Omniwaink was kindly stating though, don't exactly expect people (in 50s) to throw backflips in your honor if, in simple truth your a liability. Ya might be the nicest guy in the world and its nothing against ya personally but no one likes to get raped for someone else. Sucky part is that even i70 armor doesnt make much a difference in most matches @_@; On side note...keep a list of all the meanies > Gets fun at 30~

[ulti_19]

Ilvl 70 armor gets you around 180 morale, it's a nice difference and with that a full team of i70's has chance even against r30's ilvl90 gear, I've seen it happen. And honestly it's more how the player plays than the gear itself. I've seen i70's do insane damage and fight really well and know which targets to hit and leave alone, that makes the game. Those of you who say oh just get r30 and you're invincible is a joke. There are some r30's you can just steam over, their gear doesn't make much difference. There are premade r30's that are experienced players and you won't win in ilvl 70 gear, but this is rarer, you usually get one or 2 on each side. I think though, they should simply make lv 50 for only people who are rank 25 and plus, that way you have skills and ilvl 70 armor to compete with. Anything lower than r25 will be 30 and 40 bracket.

[Megido]

All it would take to improve the PvP grind is to put people into ranked brackets. I'm a reasonably experienced PvP healer from other games who is by no means an expert and hasn't grinded to 30. I've started and I'm going to spam 30's and 40's. Let people's first experience of PvP be with other people in the same boat and it would be a lot more fun and fair for all. Rank 30s won't get bored/frustrated and everyone else gets to learn with their peers.

With people rightfully whining about long queue times, seperating people into brackets doesnt sound like such a great idea right now. People should be made more aware of lvl40, doing that would ofcourse get more lvl40 queues to pop. We already have brackets if you think about it. 0 morale and with morale enabled. Problem is people dont know this, get farmed in 50, feel they cant outplay the gear difference, probably get whined at when being a healer, then give up.

Guy above: I will toast to that post. I agree with you, but i feel 25 is a bit too high, and dont forget r40 doesnt give you full access to all your skills. I would be getting more bored if i hád to play as a lvl40 for such a long time. As you said, (near) full i70 has a fighting chance against more than most r30.