Which job seems the most 'relevant' to the main storyline?

[Yshnal]

Now, I'm not saying the following because I'm a PLD, but because it was something that I found a bit weird when replaying that scene while being on another job and I think that it can add to the discussion:

In the scene after the fight with Lahabrea at the end of Praetorium, when we get teleported with him to the void, we hear Hydaelyn telling us something like "If thou would pierce the shadows, make thy a blade of light". Now, in that context, a blade would usually be a sword, and there's just a single class/job that can use them currently. Not to mention that while I was on that other job I found the slash animation a bit out of place.

However, I think that that might just be an oversight. As far as I'm concerned, each class/job has its own reasons to be considered "the most relevant".

[MercuryD]

I suppose my question would be this: Need there be a "canon job" or "protagonist"?

[Enkidoh]

Now, I'm not saying the following because I'm a PLD, but because it was something that I found a bit weird when replaying that scene while being on another job and I think that it can add to the discussion:

In the scene after the fight with Lahabrea at the end of Praetorium, when we get teleported with him to the void, we hear Hydaelyn telling us something like "If thou would pierce the shadows, make thy a blade of light". Now, in that context, a blade would usually be a sword, and there's just a single class/job that can use them currently. Not to mention that while I was on that other job I found the slash animation a bit out of place.

However, I think that that might just be an oversight. As far as I'm concerned, each class/job has its own reasons to be considered "the most relevant".

That's just a metaphor for the Warriors of Light - it's not referring to any particular weapon type at all, but simply the power the adventurer wields.

It directly relates to a prophecy Louisoix mentioned in his journal, that Square Enix revealed on the old Lodestone a year ago, about mankind having to trust in either 'a blade forged in light' or 'a blade forged in might', as shown here (it's listed at the bottom of the page in Yoshi's 'New Year's Greeting'):



The 'blade of might' part of that prophecy incidentally Y'shtola later mentions as referring to Gaius and the Garlean Empire. So yeah, it's just a metaphor for the power of the Echo that the player holds as Hydaelyn's champion, and doesn't correspond to an actual specific weapon type.

I suppose my question would be this: Need there be a "canon job" or "protagonist"?

Well, I guess if you count the five characters shown in the End of an Era trailer, and 'Derplander' specifically, as 'canon Jobs', then WAR would be the canon one, as he's shown constantly in artwork and propaganda as one, dressed in WAR AF and wielding the WAR relic weapon Bravura. But again, those characters are not necessarily 'canon' - they're just symbolic of the player - like a 'insert your character's Job and appearance here' sort of thing.

[Yshnal]

That's just a metaphor for the Warriors of Light - it's not referring to any particular weapon type at all, but simply the power the adventurer wields.

It directly relates to a prophecy Louisoix mentioned in his journal, that Square Enix revealed a year ago, about mankind having to trust in either 'a blade forged in light' or 'a blade forged in might'. The 'blade of might' part of that prophecy incidentally Y'shtola later mentions as referring to Gaius and the Garlean Empire. So yeah, it's just a metaphor for the power of the Echo that the player holds as Hydaelyn's champion, and doesn't correspond to an actual specific weapon type.

I thought about it being just a metaphor, but the problem is that the actual animation and it's representation seem to happen for real (unlike during 2.0's opening scene). That's why I mentioned that part and I said that I think that it might just be an oversight, being it designed by using a PLD first and not accounting/properly setting the animation for other classes/jobs.

In other words, I agree that it fits 100% to Louisoix prophecy, but the staging of that part just seems to point at the metaphorical "blade of light" being made "real" as an actual sword, maybe because that's a physical representation of something that our character is accustomed to wield and use. However, as the animation doesn't look as good with the other weapons that are shown, I think that it should have been implemented a bit better to properly fit all jobs. Unless their original intention was for it to be represented as a sword for all jobs, being it something pretty common in RPGs (and other stories) to represent the "supreme weapon of light" as a sword.

It would make more sense too with what Hydaelyn said, regardless of it just being a metaphor. It would be different if said power or "will to make things a certain way" (as that's how I see it, as a representation of the good heart -or "light"- of the adventurer, not as an actual power, and opposed to the way Gaius was trying to do things) wouldn't be physically represented, but when it is it looks a bit out of place to say something like "blablahblah a blade" and then that a staff appears. I mean this from both an artistic and logical point of view, as when we hear the word "blade" we immediatly think on the pshysical representation of a sword or something sharp.

Anyway, I'm just rambling haha

[Telsyr]

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Honestly, you're just overthinking the situation, Hydaelyn speaks purely in metaphor.. to question one thing she said would be to question everything she says.

There is no relevant class/job as they are never even referenced in the main story nor does it impact it in any way, it was never meant to be relevant as the story doesn't revolve around classes/jobs, it revolves around the player it even reinforces this when it outright calls every other player a simple powerless adventurers. The fact that summoner requires the story is purely due to the fact that it cannot work any other way.

[Yshnal]

Honestly, you're just overthinking the situation, Hydaelyn speaks purely in metaphor.. to question one thing she said would be to question everything she says.

There is no relevant class/job as they are never even referenced in the main story nor does it impact it in any way, it was never meant to be relevant as the story doesn't revolve around classes/jobs, it revolves around the player it even reinforces this when it outright calls every other player a simple powerless adventurers. The fact that summoner requires the story is purely due to the fact that it cannot work any other way.

That's one of the points of the "Lore" subforum, to discuss and overthink some things, just for fun and to share our (strange, sometimes) points of view on things like this one

I don't see this thread as a serious request for people to say which job is "the protagonist", but just as an interesting place to discuss certain things such as the summoner questline, the party of adventurers in the CGI animations, and even what I mentioned about the whole character animations and whatever on that scene (that in reality doesn't mean a thing, as it could be that way for any of the reasons/design choices that I stated). We're just sharing and discussing some interesting thoughts and tibdits about the game (some of them canon and/or confirmed by the writers) under the excuse of "finding" the ideal "main" job, just for the sake of doing so At the end of the day I'm sure that we all know that the storyline doesn't focus on any given job.

[TinyRedLeaf]

We're just sharing and discussing some interesting thoughts and tibdits about the game (some of them canon and/or confirmed by the writers) under the excuse of "finding" the ideal "main" job, just for the sake of doing so At the end of the day I'm sure that we all know that the storyline doesn't focus on any given job.

Yes indeed. I'm not in any way claiming that the summoner must be the canonical job. If you like, you can think of this thread as more of a place to share your thoughts about whatever it is that makes your favourite job "relevant" to the main storyline.

[SorriorDragneel]

In other words, I agree that it fits 100% to Louisoix prophecy, but the staging of that part just seems to point at the metaphorical "blade of light" being made "real" as an actual sword, maybe because that's a physical representation of something that our character is accustomed to wield and use. However, as the animation doesn't look as good with the other weapons that are shown, I think that it should have been implemented a bit better to properly fit all jobs. Unless their original intention was for it to be represented as a sword for all jobs, being it something pretty common in RPGs (and other stories) to represent the "supreme weapon of light" as a sword.

Wellllllll the close range LB IS a sword made of pure energy ya know.

[AspectOfWinter]

I agree, Summoner definitely is a strong candidate, because it's confirmed in the Job storyline that in order to summon a Primal Egi and bind it to your will, you have to have defeated the Primal itself first, and the scientist in the storyline actually called upon you to help with her research BECAUSE you had beaten Ifrit already.

The main problems with Summoner being canon:

1. I think you very likely would have to keep your practice hidden, in order to avoid being thrown out by your city state.

2. Since your first 30 levels are as an Arcanist, it would pretty much confirm that Limsa Lominsa is the only canon starting city - because it just happens to be the city you spend the least amount of time in during the Main Scenario.

As for Warriors and Paladins, my own personal issue: I'm sick of seeing fate grant melee classes the world on a silver platter, everything that we spell casters have been toiling our whole lives to achieve!

But I would say any of the Jobs would work, strictly speaking, depending on what city you started in. It's confirmed at many points that the PC is not the only Adventurer who is going around trying to help the world, so the way I see it is, just like in a single player Final Fantasy game, each Job storyline correlates with a specific Adventurer who canonically had a part in defeating the Primals.

[PArcher]

As for Warriors and Paladins, my own personal issue: I'm sick of seeing fate grant melee classes the world on a silver platter, everything that we spell casters have been toiling our whole lives to achieve!

Um...what? You do know it takes just as much practice and experience to become an epic warrior (general term) as it does a caster...