2 new dungeouns what are you expecting

[Balbanes]

Oh how i wish they would come out with a remake or a new one based of the Classic FFT and not the GBA ones of Final Fantasy Tactics. In my top two favorite FF games of all time. Balbanes the name reminded me of that game for all who do not know.

I absolutely loved Tactics as well (hence my name). I wanted to reference the game without being obvious about it. More on topic:

Who here has played DAoC and remembers Darkness Falls?
IMO, that was the best dungeon I've ever seen in 13+ years MMO'ing. For those not in the know:

Servers in DAoC were divided into 3 seperate realms. Each realm was in competition with the other (think City-State conquest tally?) The realm with the most PvP frontier control gained access to Darkness Falls.

DF had content from 20 to endgame raid bosses. It was a static zone with entrances in each of the 3 realms. When your realm controlled DF, your entrance was opened. There were special vendors on each side which sold items using a currencies dropped by the various tiers of monsters (see: Beastcoins?) Again, all the way from 20- end game. There were solo mobs and mobs meant for groups, and the boss mobs dropped very nice loot. On top of that, the dungeon was huge, ran very long/deep with high walls.

THAT is the sort of thing I love to see in a dungeon.

[Sterling]

if its anything like guildleves, im done. so tired of that.

[Honz]

Like most people I expect difficulty in the new dungeons. Tactics involved like positioning, crowd control, coordinated burst damage, etc. anything that requires a team to communicate to perform effectively.

Make bosses hard, ie boss is immune to either physical dmg, magical dmg, or both depending on his buff and there is a small window in which he is vulnerable. Golem boss immune to physical damage until hit with a water spell and even then melee have maybe 10 secs or so to do some damage.

Also give all enemies berserk/enrage timers so soloing is impossible.

[TonyMontana]

seriously Stop with the damn wow ... that damn game ruined the MMO genre and continues to degrade every mmo . All mmo's are now either wow clones or wanna be wow games , SE made FFXI and broke the mold with content that made ppl feel accomplished in what they have done Dyna Ein Sky Sea these i wsh i could see in FFXIV not the same thing but same elements of challenge and rewards . If your ls has great players and can kill monsters that are UBER hard you get those spoils of battle.. in short stfu with the wow this wow that Final fantasy used to pride themselves in being Different and great Story lines .

Sorry I hurt your feelings. I brought up a wow heroic because most current MMO players know what it is. Seemed easy and logical to use it as a point of reference.

[zaviermhigo]

You lose me when you say WoW stuff, I haven't even trialed that game i was like "looks like crap" even when it was a legitimate game in vanilla stage. You're just a little condescending by saying "current" because, WoW isn't new either, the average "current" mmo player played rift the first month, and play f2o. Those who pay subscriptions for things are dying breed altogether whether you play Everquest or WoW, or Star Wars Galaxies, or FFXI. It doesn't matter, all those games are old, Rift will lose half its fanbase with subscriptions. Its a sad fact, that the "current" gamer in general or a "current" person on the FF game forums, doesn't get why there would even be mmos or why people would pay for them >.<

TLDR version is just don't say current cause we're a dying breed actually. Because I agreed with your post but I thought it was douchey, hey I know don't live to appease me, but its ok. In general I think there's maybe 3 people worth coming off a little rude too. If you weren't being rude I take all this back, tone is hard to pick up on the internet and I'll be the first to admit it.

[Jinko]

My expectations ? they are the same as usual, extremely low.

You lose me when you say WoW stuff, I haven't even trialed that game i was like "looks like crap" even when it was a legitimate game in vanilla stage.

Might look like crap, but unless you try it you will never really know .. huh

FFXIV looks awesome graphically but surprise surprise its a steaming turd underneath it all.

Ever hear the expression "Don't judge a book by its cover" ?

[Coombah]

Looking forward to the info

[Kiote]

For the record, part of FFXI's success was because they copied the most successful MMO at the time (EverQuest.) Nothing they've ever really done has been all that original (FFXI was based off EQ, FF Tactics was based on Tactic Ogre, the original FF was based on DQ.) They just manage to take what others have done and repackage it in an appealing way. If FFXIV had taken some pages from WoW, it would be in much better shape than it is now. Do I want a WoW clone? No. But it's ignoring WoW and even S-E's own past successes that made FFXIV turn out the way it did (critically panned).

Uh.. Did you play EverQuest? Cause I did.. I can't think of a single thing that FFXI stole from ever quest.. I mean, unless you count 1 being an MMO and 2 having Zones.. Seriously.. back that up..

[Kiote]

My expectations ? they are the same as usual, extremely low.



Might look like crap, but unless you try it you will never really know .. huh

FFXIV looks awesome graphically but surprise surprise its a steaming turd underneath it all.

Ever hear the expression "Don't judge a book by its cover" ?

Tried it, it's crap.. In an MMO you are Not supposed to hit level cap in a week and you are Not supposed to be able to kill anything in the game by just throwing people at it who all click every ability they have repeatedly without a second thought.

[quantumsaint]

Development of FFXI started when Sakaguchi became impressed with seeing western MMOs like EQ. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EverQuest

Pretty much everything FFXI did (short of the job system/FF stuff) is rooted in EQ.
Group centric play? EQ did it. Rare spawns? EQ did it. Con system? EQ did it. Pretty much everything FFXI did, EQ started, as well creating most of the MMO terminology that was used in FFXI and we continue to use today. FFXI might have started to stand on its own legs later in its life, but it owes heaps of debt to EQ for many of its original design choices.