How Do Extreme Primal Weapons Affect Gearing?

[Swishytail]

It varies per job. If you are really trying to min/max and/or not take really big hits to accuracy a lot of the Primal weapons
are either useless (Dragoon's spear - skill speed is bad compared to Zenith +1, so I hear) or you need items from Turn 5 to make up for the loss in accuracy (Bard's Bow).

I know the Monk, Black Mage, and Warrior weapons are all good. The Bard is good with Turn 5 gear for acc.
I think the Scholar and Summoner are meh. Dragoon is meh. Paladin meh. White Mage is apparently bad.

This is just what I've seen opinion-wise from various people. In the end it's up to you.

[Ooshima]

For bards it's entirely up to you actually. I have a config for 472 accuracy that I run it on T5 that is item level 87.5. It's already considered overgeared for T5 so it works for me. I started game as a dragoon, started later than others and it was until around November or so I switched to main a Bard so in terms of gearing, I'm lagging even further behind (but thanks to Ultima and Primals, it's easier to catch up).

For me I generally will upgrade the relic to zenith LAST unless there is an absolute reason for me to do it first. Like for example, for Paladins, Curtana Zenith should be obtained if you are main tanking but still, I'll get the main body myth pieces up first before spending it on Zenith. Get the more important pieces first.

[PArcher]

For bards it's entirely up to you actually. I have a config for 472 accuracy that I run it on T5 that is item level 87.5. It's already considered overgeared for T5 so it works for me. I started game as a dragoon, started later than others and it was until around November or so I switched to main a Bard so in terms of gearing, I'm lagging even further behind (but thanks to Ultima and Primals, it's easier to catch up).

For me I generally will upgrade the relic to zenith LAST unless there is an absolute reason for me to do it first. Like for example, for Paladins, Curtana Zenith should be obtained if you are main tanking but still, I'll get the main body myth pieces up first before spending it on Zenith. Get the more important pieces first.

Well...the thing is, except for BRD, PLD and WAR...the weapon IS the most important upgrade for a new 50...for an alt, not so much, esp one who can get EX weapons now

[Ooshima]

Well...the thing is, except for BRD, PLD and WAR...the weapon IS the most important upgrade for a new 50...for an alt, not so much, esp one who can get EX weapons now

I can't really comment on what's the experience like for a brand new player with a brand new toon leveling up his/her first 50 though.. But I guess if it was me, I might still spend myth to get by body pieces first before opting for a Zenith upgrade?

Cos the way I see, in patch 2.1 upgrading is rather easy. Say after you've completed your storyline, (assuming you have a decent play time and decent learning speed), within the first week of clearing story you could probably farm up your full DL set, get an i80 CT body piece for a big stat upgrade and your 450 myth tomes. Within the same week or the following week you could be well finish training and clearing Primal HM for your i80 relics and I think they do fine for now.

For the 2nd week, since you have 900 myth and another chance at CT, it largely depends on your job. If say the body/pants isn't your BiS slot, you could take another CT body/pants and spend the 900 myth in terms of 1x AF2 body parts for 495 and 1x AF2 accessory for another 325 (if both of them are BiS and worth to spend). If so, you already have 1x i80 relic weapon, 2x CT i80 body parts, 1x AF2 body part and 1x AF2 accessory VS a i90 relic +1 and just 2 CT parts.

Of course I think there's no real right or wrong on this. If the new player is an experienced MMO player, bothers to read up and do some calculation on min-maxing then what I've suggested may be better. No doubt that apart from Bards, most jobs have a +2 WD upgrade which is rather significant, but if you do it right, the extra main and secondary stats you get from buying 1x AF2 body part and 1x AF2 accessory may offer you enough to match the WD upgrade to Zenith. Also for the fact that body parts offer you increment in defensive stats and buying 2 AF2 upgrades raise your ilvl further (yes, skills matter more but sometimes in PF party they just have quite a high ilvl req) so it allows you to enter PF training parties to start on Ultima HM/Primal EX faster.

Ultimately it doesn't really make a hell lot of difference, but if you're a player like me who at times really hate how ugly DL gears look - man, look at tanking gears and those ugly crowls, I'd rather learn to play better with my i80 weapon for the meantime while looking better with AF2/CT gears

[snowybell]

Yes like everyone said. Really depends on the class. Dragoons one is just terrible but it doesn't hurt to do a weekly clear just to get the weapons. I totally skipped dragoon and got the staff and bow.

[NintenPyjak64]

I know the Monk, Black Mage, and Warrior weapons are all good. The Bard is good with Turn 5 gear for acc.
I think the Scholar and Summoner are meh. Dragoon is meh. Paladin meh. White Mage is apparently bad.

SMN one is decent at best, not better then Zenith but if you're a fresh SMN in Coil and NEED the accuracy, you have an i90 book with +37 of it, otherwise Zenith is still better. PLD's shield is pretty decent from what I hear and BLM's shield goes great with Allagan Scepter. SCH's is kinda bad because you're trading DET for PIE (which you don't really need either but DET seems like the best of both worlds) and WHM... idc if it has PIE or not, the crit (and design) makes me not wanna touch it. And DRG with Skill Speed? lol!

Other then that the MNK one is debatable (SkS vs Det/crit build), WAR is amazing and BLM is debatable (SpS vs Det/crit)

[Kuroyasha]

Im getting Holy Lance next week. Dont feel like waiting for zenith. Going to use the myth to keep gearing my mnk (which can share accessories so it's nice). Yea Holy Lance has SS instead of crit, but it still has the same WD, Strength, and Vit increase from i80 to i90 as a zenith. Those matter much more than +26 crit.

Got my hellish claws and i love em. Elfin Bow as well.

[JetBrooks]

Yes like everyone said. Really depends on the class. Dragoons one is just terrible but it doesn't hurt to do a weekly clear just to get the weapons. I totally skipped dragoon and got the staff and bow.

Actually, the stat weight of Holy Lance is higher than that of Zenith ^^

STR 1.0
CRT 0.184
SS 0.152

Holy Lance - 37 x .152 = 5.624
Zenith - 26 x .184 = 4.784

Mind blown, right? I've been using Holy Lance for the past few days..... I can't tell the damn difference. TOTALLY worth not having to spend 900 tomes.

[Thorauku]

Went straight to Holy Lance, 900 myth can be used for alot of things, 2 i90 accessories, 1 i90 armor part and 1 i90 accessories, alot of better options rather than the +26 crit the Zenith has to offer.

But if you don't have something that you spend your myth on, then by all means.

[Hysterior]

i think they are great because they allow you to focus on body part and you can upgrade to zenith as last upgrade