Personal feelings about personal shops?

[Murakamo]

What has this to do with anything?

I am in favor of that.

Bring bet the "market place" from 1.0 for that. That was funny. Also to be able to make your Retainer look sexy was awesome

What it has to do with things is that I don't want to spend 1 hour looking for that one crafting item I need to craft an item. The market boards are used for convenience.

That, plus the fact that I don't think the server can handle that many entities. In 1.0, you could only see retainers like 2 meters in front of you.

I guess they could re-work the engine to allow for more entities, but its not worth the hassle.


There is a good reason why SE went with the marketboard instead of the retainer shop system.
Yes, it is nice to dress up retainers, set up shops but it causes way too much pain than it will benefit players.

[Zfz]

I don't want to spend 1 hour looking for that one crafting item

Which I think is the bane of the modern convenience MMOs today. "I don't want to spend (waste) time to do XXX."

Imagine a world without any automatic market mechanism. You would shop around at first but eventually you would settle on a few suppliers who will keep supplying materials you want. That supplier may in turn have a few gatherers whom he depends on for his weekly stock. Every now and then a gatherer finds a rare item and he chimes in to ask if you want it. Or it may be something you've asked him to keep an eye out for.

Adventurers will have a few blacksmiths and armor smiths to whom they always pay for repairs. Alchemists that supply potions and culinarians that supply food. In turn they may sell off the loot they got each time they come for repairs. Those smiths may have a few tailor and gold smith friends and they send clients towards each other when the Paladin mentions in passing, "hey I'm leveling my WHM now", and the armor smith replies, "oh I know this honest tailor you can trust, you should look him up if you need some good robes."

There would be real "merchants" who open up shop at fixed locations. He would have regulars who come over to unload loot and then sell those loot to other players.

You will find it cumbersome. You will find it meaningless. You will find it a waste of time. But that is only if you never put in the effort to find your regular supplier. Once you have, it becomes even more convenient than the market board. And that is how communities are built. It's also why people are often more friendly in the countryside than in big modern cities. And this is not nostalgia. It is right now, happening all over the world.


Back on topic.

I think, for personal shops to succeed, the market board needs to be closed down. And no retainer bots. Real players only. Yes it's so ten-years-ago but that is what makes a real "merchant" game. Add-on auto scanning and posting and 24hr retainer shops is not a merchant game, it's just online trading, which is not the topic for this thread.

[Felis]

What it has to do with things is that I don't want to spend 1 hour looking for that one crafting item I need to craft an item. The market boards are used for convenience.

That, plus the fact that I don't think the server can handle that many entities. In 1.0, you could only see retainers like 2 meters in front of you.

I guess they could re-work the engine to allow for more entities, but its not worth the hassle.


There is a good reason why SE went with the marketboard instead of the retainer shop system.
Yes, it is nice to dress up retainers, set up shops but it causes way too much pain than it will benefit players.

After they have put in a search system it was not so bad anymore.
you could buy your item in the search windown or visit the specific retainer who got marked with a red star over his name.

[Autymnfyres]

...I guess they could re-work the engine to allow for more entities, but its not worth the hassle.

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L-O-L, as IF that would happen.