Why give WMs abilities that we're asked NOT to use so much?

[Velox]

For Titan extreme, I will say that if all you're only using is a single medica II + medica for first set of stomps, and then a cure III for first geocrush, there is no way you should be pulling hate unless your tank is either under-geared in relation to you, or simply isn't good at maximizing enmity gains. Out of all my attempts, the highest enmity I've gotten after first phase is 50% doing this. Now if you're paired with another WHM then you both don't want to be using cure III for geocrush as that will be overkill, instead 1 should be on Cure III duty and the other should top off with medica to minimize overheal.

I think people tend to forget that WHM is one of the most unforgiving jobs existing right now due to having so many mechanics working against you at all times (both job-based mechanics and enemy-based mechanics). You can't go all out like in other MMOs because tanks don't get nearly the amount of aggro nearly as quick as other games allow.

The key to playing WHM is not knowing when to heal, knowing when NOT to heal. This game as a way of really punishing you for doing your job because WHM is so dependent on the party doing what they need to do. If too many people are getting hit, that's more heals and more enmity. If there's no bard, that's more risk of going OOM if you have to heal unnecessary damage. If the tank isn't doing a good job, that's more risk of you pulling the mobs. WHM requires perfection from all 8 people. If too many people aren't performing at max capacity, I'd recommend switching to SCH as they can cover for people's mistakes better and don't have as much of a problem with mana and enmity.

[sheepysheepy]

after a SoS pop its usually safe to do whatever you want, only the first minute you even have to watch your aggro indicator o.o
medica1 for phase1, not too hard to cover everyone with that for a while

[Versiroth]

To add a fact to this thread, I'm the SCH that told him not to cast Cure III. He casted it after the first jump in Titan HM with a tank that didn't have relic yet. After he pulled hate, he proceeded to run around the arena with Titan on his back, I typed "shroud", he didn't do so and died. The medica II and regen talks, I can not speak on.

Honestly, I was hoping the tank would provoke while I attempted to stay away from being 2 shot. It all happened within about 5 seconds. I should have shrouded as well, as enmity is a group effort, but I wasn't ready for it I guess. You were awesome in that fight, BTW. Please don't think that I'm trying to disrespect you by including your cure III suggestion in this thread.

My point was in general though. I used that fight as an example, but I've also been asked not to use certain abilities in other fights as well. The thread was more about the fact that WMs can't use their whole tool kit like a Scholar without learning perfect timing on every fight. As is, healing a dungeon/boss encounter as a WM is more about learning the fight(s) than reacting. Where as a Scholar can just react.

This is the only game I've ever healed in that punished me so hard for simply using my abilities. I've always been a reactive healer and in most games, I try to keep people topped off at all times. I guess I need to break that habit if I want to continue to WM in this game.

[Fran636]

Scholar's not having to learn perfect timing etc? Have you played the job? SCH is all about being proactive and knowing when to use what. When's the perfect time to toss your sacred soil? Should you use one of your aetherflow stacks on sacred soil or save them for lustrates? Also having to cast succor preemptively before incoming aoe damage, when's the right time to use virus, and when's the right time to use your fairy's aoe magic def buff and healing potency buff. End of Rant.

As a WHM, if you're in Titan HM for example with a non-relic tank that isn't so well geared it is your responsibility to use your common sense and not use your healing abilities as liberally as you'd like. The way I heal when paired with an i90 tank is not the same way I'll heal with a AF1 tank. Of course you'll run into situations where you'll grab hate after tossing the first medica I, in which case it's a tanking problem.

[Chronos]

I remember this from back when HM was a thing. they told me not to use it and i told them to stfu, i know what im doing. They gave u a threat meter and a fancy skill called Shroud of saints. you know u are gonna get hate with Med II so when u see that little button turn red, use SoS. Titan will immediately turn back around. party healed, no harm done.

in Ex, your tanks will already have an i90 weapon and be able to grab a generous amount of enmity right from the start. I'm full i90 and can cast cure III and med II for days and will never see titan turn to me.

[warren-ragnarok]

"Don't use Regen, you'll cause threat!"
"Don't use Medica II, You'll cause threat!"
"Don't use Cure III, You'll cause threat!"

for clarity, keep this info in mind
Regen
Never use it at the very end of a fight of trash mobs, or at the very beginning......unless the tank can get the whole group of mobs with an aoe, the mobs will chase after you (use stoneskin for those specific moments), other than that, regen is ok to use (alot of whms dont understand this concept because they have no level of intelligence or just plan lazy, so most people just say dont)

medica 2
pulls alot of threat, should not really ever be used during trash pulls unless your trying to dps, and even then still be careful. bigger longer fights like ultima and the primals, this skill is more acceptable, but should not be used during the first phase, and in some fights, up to first three phases. Example, titan HM, alot of healers start using it during phase 1, thats just stupid......you dont need it, it overheals, wastes mp, and if you overdo it, ur gonna pull threat.....a decently geared sch and whm using succor and medica 1 will usually top people off from most basic aoes

cure 3
honestly, idk why this spell really exists, because its usefulness is very rare. yes its a decent heal spell, if you get a proc from cure 2, its an awesome heal........but limited to iirc 6 yalms. this spell also does generate alot more threat than medica, and probably almost on par with medica 2, unless your topping melee dps and tank off near the end of the fight, this should never be used in during trash pulls...during bosses, you should probably wait until the third or fourth complete combo by the tank

[Marcusow86]

cure 3
honestly, idk why this spell really exists, because its usefulness is very rare. yes its a decent heal spell, if you get a proc from cure 2, its an awesome heal........but limited to iirc 6 yalms. this spell also does generate alot more threat than medica, and probably almost on par with medica 2, unless your topping melee dps and tank off near the end of the fight, this should never be used in during trash pulls...during bosses, you should probably wait until the third or fourth complete combo by the tank

Extreme mode and any other fight that requires your team to stack. The pros for this skill is the fast CD and the heal potency is higher than Medica and is a direct heal compare to Medica II. The downside is for your team member to stack in which case extreme is your answer.

[Lyrinn]

Extreme mode and any other fight that requires your team to stack. The pros for this skill is the fast CD and the heal potency is higher than Medica and is a direct heal compare to Medica II. The downside is for your team member to stack in which case extreme is your answer.

Also CT and Ultima HM. Cure III has a number of uses - though still limited - since its buff.

[kukurumei]

Also CT and Ultima HM. Cure III has a number of uses - though still limited - since its buff.

More then that. Cure3 is akin Lustre. They are the super secret weapons that turn the tides of battle if used right. It used to be crappy, but now it's a larger radius(6yams) is the hottest spell in the whm arsenal.

Any phase change becomes simple, and even useful in other situations T2-T4 for example, etc. 6yam isn't that close anymore. You don't have to "stack-stack"

You really don't even need a sch sacred when holding cure3 properly, which free's up the sch to keep those lustre.

And pretty much cure3 is the secret to solo healing stuff. For titan ex and know the add phase really well, you can cure 3 the MT and everyone just sitting behind titan (6yams is just enough), baiting landslide, move to south west, then south, done. fully healed MT and all(most) dps.

Titan Ex hate management can be an issue only if tanks don't have their stacks management right. There is a change phase that pld/war have to get on and off sword/defiance changes. That's the only vulnerable phase of pulling threat. And really it's very very much a tank problem then a healer problem.

Considering that you really shouldn't heal enough in titan ex to take threat, because of his script (dodge dodge jail dodge). It's pretty weird.

[alhandra]

sounds like you had bad tanks or were over healing. all of the spells you mentioned when you used correctly can make life a cake walk for a whm. the trick is not over healing with them