White Mage Gear - Stats

[Pharazon]

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I respect your opinion as a member of Blue Garter but I think simply dismissing SpS because of choreographed fights is wrong. You play the game with people who are going to make mistakes and avoidable damage will be taken which means that you will have to "react quickly" to damage that you weren't anticipating. During that choreographed fight you will know how long of a recovery window you have for the next set of predicted damage and have to decide if you can afford to heal the damage you weren't anticipating within that window and this is where SpS and not Det can mean the difference. I'm not saying that this alone is enough to push SpS above Det but I feel it has more merit than you are giving it credit for.

I am not arguing that Det isn't the most consistent stat, because it is, but I don't think SpS should be ruled out quite so quickly.

[UlricCraft]

That gear guide is poor.

Mind > Determination > Piety > Spell Speed > Crit

Heal potency, heal consistency, longevity, reaction time, over-cure.

Larger heals from MIND, more consistent high heals from DET, better regen & independence from PIE, better OH SHI- from SS, better enmity gain from CRIT.

As stated; fights are predictable. SS isn't bad, but isn't required if you know the fight. Consider 'knowing the fight' a stat that YOU, the player can level. Not your character.

Don't underestimate PIE on WHM. One significant pain-point of WHM is mana consumption. Any additional PIE is welcome.

[FadingMoon]

What about the i90 weapon from the Primals quest? I know that has crit on it, but I have just a normal relic atm. Should I just go for the Zenith even though I really don't want to use myth on my white mage yet or go ahead and grab the staff for now?

[SeraviEdalborez]

What about the i90 weapon from the Primals quest? I know that has crit on it, but I have just a normal relic atm. Should I just go for the Zenith even though I really don't want to use myth on my white mage yet or go ahead and grab the staff for now?

i90 stick is i90 stick. Save the myth.

[Eriane]

What about the i90 weapon from the Primals quest? I know that has crit on it, but I have just a normal relic atm. Should I just go for the Zenith even though I really don't want to use myth on my white mage yet or go ahead and grab the staff for now?

If you don't want to spend myth the primal staff is fine. It has alot of piety so some healers may prefer it. I just think its creepy looking...

[FadingMoon]

If you don't want to spend myth the primal staff is fine. It has alot of piety so some healers may prefer it. I just think its creepy looking...

Yea it is really creepy, but vanity is coming next month.

i90 stick is i90 stick. Save the myth.

I thought so. Thanks for the advice!

[Eriane]

You play the game with people who are going to make mistakes and avoidable damage will be taken which means that you will have to "react quickly" to damage that you weren't anticipating.

The issue is finding a situation where a dps was saved because your heal was .2 seconds faster. The theory is fine, the actualization is that unless you stack the stat you cannot see a noticable difference. For a sticky situation you are better off relying on a cd. If you were late to react to unexpected damage no amount of spell speed will save you.

[Rbstr]

It hardly even matters. What you really want is the mind and pie you get with whatever tertiary. And at full i90 you can't get more/less mind and, while it varies a bit, pie ends up pretty much good enough no matter what gear you have.

With few i90 pieces I'd go for the stuff with the most pie, including the primal weapon. As you get more of the good stuff you might think about the Zenith.

With the benefit of well timed drops I went pretty much full det where I could. It works pretty well for me. Now I'm trying (but not very hard) to replace SS pieces with crit.
In a world where tertiaries mattered SS might increase healing throughput overall in a vacuum but it also increases mana consumption.
I'd rather have "efficiency" stats of det/crit.
In the current game it makes little practical difference.

[Tinks]

Personally, I stack spell speed on my WHM. Initially, I was planning on going the Determination route, but through sheer dumb luck with drops and myth purchases I ended up with somewhere around 490 spell speed. It was inadvertent and I thought nothing of it until I went and did Titan and realized that I'd run, assuming my spell would stop casting, but it finished anyway. With as much dodging as this game has for everyone in general, I find this way more valuable than a bit more cure potency from Determination. You can argue that because the fights are scripted you know when you have to move, and you're right. But until you've done these fights over and over and over, with the same people, that isn't relevant. Different tanks have different cooldown rotations, different co-healers have different synergy, and sometimes your DPS just get hit (often at the worst possible time.)

For me, it isn't the global cool down, it’s the reduction in spell cast time that is important. Right now my Cure has a 1.88 cast time (vs 2.0) and I'm not even in a full spell speed build. That .12 of a second might not seem like much, but it makes a noticeable difference in something like Titan Ex where you're moving constantly.

To each his own, but for my playstyle, spell speed is better.

[fraeblood]

Do ya know why there is a constant debate over this? It is because there is no BIS. It is all about personal preference along with fitting your groups needs. I know people who swear for one or the other don't wanna hear this, and I know you just love to hate on and boast about how your stat is best, and yes it is.... for you. The other guy is also correct in saying his stat is best..... for him/her.

It is a good and bad thing that the game doesn't rely so much on 2nd stats for WHM right now. It is nice because you can take a balance of them and work them into your gear as you see the need for them for your static. It is bad because some if not most players rely on having a BIS list to think for them so they can have the best thoughtput. ANd in most MMOs there is a clear cut BIS, but then again not always at launch. In all honesty, in the end there is no BIS. Some fights may call for some more DET, some have more of a use for SS, and all of it depends on the skill level of you and your group.

This is why these threads keep popping up, and will keep doing so as new players start playing and find that it is sometimes hard to tell which stat helps the most. It is becuase none of them honestly outshine the others to the point of an obvious choice. Gear yourself as your group and your play style needs and you will be fine.

Also having multiple sets is a very good idea too as in some fights you will find SS is useful, but on others it isn't needed as much so some extra DET is handy. So don't be shy to put multiple sets together as well.