Anyone able to get BLM to a competative level?

[Seripha_Starbane]

BLM is a top tier class in the current meta - after all, what MMO has mages as a bad class?

I lvled all the way from 1 to 30 in full PvE gear, having 0 morale, did not use any i55/i70 gear - and i ended up with a 94%+ win rate which is pretty good imo
Now that mage is one of the two classes with reliable slow (i call heavy slow) it's better than ever; we have good survivability+kite and ok dmg

Overall i think of mage as a utility > damage class, especially since literally every team tries to kill you

You are the play maker in your team who controls the field - it's up to you to force trinkets / make calls / call out switches etc

Can you give some more tips plz? would like to learn more.

i.e. u focus on cc on dps then almost solely? or i guess when u communicate with your team, u will be able to target switch while ccing healer

[Hudeski]

Hey buddy how did u materia?

i have pretty much no materias because im poor. if i wasnt poor i'd stat all crit and determination because i play blm for quick burst in the beginning similar to how smns are with enkindle energy drain. I'd put all crit and determination materia because crits are vital for instagibbing burst targets with blm. Other option would be capping stun resistance. stuns are your biggest cc problem as blm due to tank and melee always being on you and the quicker you get the stun to dr the more reliable your casts are.

[JerryJetman]

As a mage, you never start out killing healers - if they are not totally terrible you will never kill them since your chase dmg is terrible

Normal strat is to kill the priority dps 1st, stuff like smn, brd, maybe even melee sometimes while sleeping the healer - 99% of the time healers will trinket to save their dps (if they dont they will trinket 2nd sleep for sure)
You can either resleep them and finish the target off or if they got bene'd (which is your fault cuz u did not resleep fast enough) you can switch to the healer asap

If you slept him far away or you still have 10+ sec of sleep left you can pressure 2nd dps

It all depends on the situation ofc ; also enable hp bars at all times so you know where ppl are (far too often i see people run around confused not being able 2 find the target if it took 0 dmg)

[Spyrit]

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You can't kill a healer this is true (without help), however you can completely disrupt the healing game, spamming scathe on them will make them run, swiftcast bliz 1 to slow them down and regen mana, keep them LoS of their team as much as possible, provided you can't sleep them reliably. I do find working with a pld (lethargy helps them a lot) we can manage to kill a healer though. Trouble is with scholar, everyone ignores the pet, because it doesn't account for any damage you do on the scoreboard, and killing a scholar's pet makes them pretty weak in terms of heals.

[TaneshimaPopura]

@ Spyrit

Stop posting mis-information sleep resist is on 4th attempt. First 3 timer are 30, 15, 7 seconds respectively.

[Nenin]

I lvled all the way from 1 to 30 in full PvE gear, having 0 morale, did not use any i55/i70 gear - and i ended up with a 94%+ win rate which is pretty good imo

You should mention that this was with a team. It's misleading to say you get a 90%+ win rate in full PVE gear when the average BLM looking for advice spends the majority of his time solo queueing.

If you solo queue with 0 morale as a BLM you will get obliterated. If the other team sees you before the game starts they literally say in party, "BLM in full darklight/PVE gear", which means rape his face.




A poorly geared BLM is hands down the worst possible job/class in PUGs. Everyone will break your sleeps and binds, they will ignore your marks, everyone will either be too close or out of LoS to get a good Aetherial Manipulation off, and your healer won't be able to keep you up during the opening burst.

BLM is also arguably the best job/class in coordinated premades. You have the longest CC, the most CC abilities, and as of 2.15 you have half of all the snares in the game (Blizzard, Lethargy, Stone, Weapon Throw). BLM benefits the most from coordinated use of Adloquium, Stoneskin, and Cover due to the fragile interruption mechanics. You also have very strong burst but if your teammates are good enough you're better off stacking VIT and playing as a CC bot.

[JerryJetman]

Nenin is kinda right - if you get one of the bad solo q healers you will die most likely thats true; however the main problem is mages using their defensive cds at the randomest times, not eating enkindle with manaward, walling before they even engage some1 and stuff like that

Mage is great at avoiding dmg in many ways - if you are facetanking blame yourself 1st and foremost, not the team

Most importantly - i would strongly advise against speccing / stacking VIT; your dmg will be terrible and smart teams will just straight up ignore you

An example of that is Vexx Licious if any1 has seen that mage - he has like 5800 hp, does no dmg whatsoever; every time we play vs him we just ignore him (cc chain) and kill him last. He ends up with like 2300 dmg when every1 else did 10k

Its like saying that mage in wow should stack stamina since a lot of teams try to pressure / kill the mage as a priority

[Seripha_Starbane]

thanks alot for the advice guys...

So what about spell speed materia? quicker you cast, damage increases , less chance to interupt and quicker to land your sleeps no?

[Spyrit]

Im not posting misinformation I always resist after the second cast. Unless the heals are sleeping my targets too, there is no third sleep cast. God forbid if you run thm in 30 and 40 caps, to test drive defensive cds, people are under the impression that thm is some how weaker in power than blm, the only difference is spells. (some people)

[TaneshimaPopura]

You lose too much defensive CD and 1 potent melee CC without going BLM not accounting for Vit/Int difference. Yes going THM over BLM is weaker and you lose flare. Which is our most game maker if given the chance to go offensive. Without gemming Parry/Dex or wielding a shield Keen Edge is not worth using. Not ignoring the required facing angle required to parry/block.