If you didn't start PvP before, then don't start ever?

[Quackley]

PvE also has a much more forgiving gear treadmill.
You're talking about making the barrier to entry LARGER, when it's already ridiculously huge.

In PvE, you go through an order of gear, finally ending up at Twintania.
You don't go to the next step until you get that gear.

In PvP, you can't avoid fighting people who have massive advantages through gear/abilities.
You're forced into fighting them if you want to PvP.
The 30/40 bracket isn't that much better as a person without abilities, going up against someone with them pumped up to high potency and bonus effects, or even having the bonus stats.

"Deserve to get flamed" over completely unranked meaningless PvP
At this point we might as well just throw out the rest, because this part is pathetic.

[omniwaink]

The 30/40 bracket isn't that much better as a person without abilities, going up against someone with them pumped up to high potency and bonus effects, or even having the bonus stats.

Lol, 40-100 potency on one attack every 300 seconds is a game changer? Yeah, okay.

You could play this game for 3 weeks, finish your relic quest, upgrade it to +1, grab 3 pieces of CT gear, a myth piece, do ultima DF for a choker, and then 30's and 40's to get your base necessary PVP skills (< rank 12) and purchase your PVP accessories and fill in any gaps. And then you'd be fine to contribute to 50s groups. But noooo, God forbid you actually put some work into your character.

If your attitude toward PVP is that its stupid and meaningless, then why even bother queuing and participating in it? Again, it's the self-entitled mentality in a massively multiplayer game that is mind boggling.

[Quackley]

A 190 and 200 Potency attack off GCD (as bard, for example) is actually quite the game changer, considering games end in like 3 seconds.

I never said PvP was stupid, I said it was meaningless, in that there's no rating or any rankings of any sort to it, so doing more than trying to screw around and waste time is pointless.
It's for fun, and if someone wants to go in and have fun, they shouldn't be harrassed by random asshats who take it as a personal offense instead of just trying to enjoy their own time.

Yeah, it's annoying when people come in with lower level gear, but that doesn't suddenly make it okay to flame them, and if you really think it does, you're quite pathetic, much more than the people you keep calling entitled.

[JanVanding]

A 190 and 200 Potency attack off GCD (as bard, for example) is actually quite the game changer, considering games end in like 3 seconds.

I never said PvP was stupid, I said it was meaningless, in that there's no rating or any rankings of any sort to it, so doing more than trying to screw around and waste time is pointless.

Yeah, it's annoying when people come in with lower level gear, but that doesn't suddenly make it okay to flame them, and if you really think it does, you're quite pathetic, much more than the people you keep calling entitled.

Anyone that screams entitled at people wanting actual balance arent PvPers they are PKers, a very different animal with a very different mindset.

PKers want you at a disadvantage they dont want a level playing field and certainly dont grasp the concept of balance

[Spyrit]

See I knew people would attempt to validate harassment, they always do. For me as a parent, what I find horrifying is some teenager became of victim of people like that. Completely out of touch of the harm they do, that's kind of psychotic, when you think about it. The bottom line is either the community allows it to go on or it doesn't, for me that is a no brainer, it is unacceptable, and I do report when it occurs.

Abusers will always attempt to validate the abuse that they do. To date TSW still has the best PvP community going, imo I hope ffxiv will head in the same direction.

[omniwaink]

Anyone that screams entitled at people wanting actual balance arent PvPers they are PKers, a very different animal with a very different mindset.

Might want to read the actual posts. Entitled is aimed at people that queue with horrible gear, see that they are at a severe disadvantage and costing matches, and then do nothing to rectify it. I've seen people asked politely to go get better gear or to queue lower brackets, and they reply "don't care what you say, I'll do what i want, etc.". Saying that in a multiplayer game where you are directly affecting the fun of other players is entitled and narcissistic, period.

Unlike WoW, SE chose to start off with arena pvp, which is intrinsically by design not for the pick up and play casual style that some people want (re: Frontlines). It's direct competition with other players. And when one player out of 8 decides it's cool to gimp himself and by extension his team, it kills any sense of that competition. There's not much excitement in killing a healer in 2 globals without even trying and knowing the fight is over, and it's also not fun being on a team you know can't win no matter what you yourself do.

[Quackley]

it kills any sense of that competition.

doesn't there need to be a sense of competition to begin with, in order to kill it? :3

[Sciwolf]

Ive done pvp in other MMOs and it has always been like this. The only way you could have avoided this would have been to grind out your rank as soon as patch went live. Now im afraid its too late. You just have to bite the bullet until higher ranks or just avoid it since its not even that great to begin with imo.

[JanVanding]

Might want to read the actual posts.

wouldnt the Developers be to blame then for offering up a PvP Quest at level 30?

Also no offence but you kind of chose to skate around the issue of the thread of PvP being imbalanced and inaccessable.

The topic is that New Players feel discouraged to even try which is bad for the long term health of PvP as a whole.

Edit: Just to note, The Arena is perhaps the worst choice of PvP type they couldve gone with, I can understand they did so due to the potential E-Sports marketability in the far east but they would need to spend years balancing to even get it accwpted as an E-Sport. The Classes are designed in such a way for Mass Encounters, the CC is even balanced as such as are the cast timers to emphasise a Line of Skirmish.

[omniwaink]

Continually been getting zero PVP/Darklight geared healers the past hour. All losses. Healers asked nicely by other players/advised to go to 30/40 until they get gear.



That's the type of reaction you always get. Hence, entitled.