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    Lucius Eventide
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    Cactuar
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    Thaumaturge Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by HurtigeKarl View Post
    A good test (in most subjects) do not rely on pure memorization. They require their students to actually think about how they are going to use the knowledge they've acquired in the specific tasks handed in the test.

    I can't think of any good analogy to describe what's going on here with boss encounters, since it is a two-step challenge: 1. Figuring out the mechanics. 2. Execution

    IQ tests for instance are all about figuring out the mechanics. Ice skating is all about execution.
    I can see by your gear that you do not raid regularly on this toon, if at all. So, unless you raid extensively on some other alt, I don't think you are entitled to make such contrast and comparisons. Lets assume you raid on your lancer/dragoon.

    Watching most kill videos only makes you aware of mechanics. For example, if you watch a video about Turn 2 ADS, there is no guarantee that the group you go into turn two with will kill the same exact nodes. You are over simplifying the opposing position to your supposed point of view. Watching a video to see a mechanic and wiping to see a mechanic are not entirely different. I am not sure how raiding goes for you, but our team never uses premade strats, we do what ever works the best for us.

    Knowing before hand what the boss will do is akin to studying before a test. You go in with information, not a guaranteed win. By the way, figuring out mechanics is the easy part of the two step process you mention. If you walk into titan HM with no prior information to the fight, how hard is it to stay out of landslides and plumes? Not very hard, unless you are bad and/or laggy.

    It would seem to me people have a much more difficult time executing the fight than learning that plumes and landslides happen in titan HM.

    If watching a video is akin to cheating, I have no problem wearing that title. I can be a decent gamer, clearing all the game content while it is current and save time. You might find it fun to go into a fight blind and piss away time, but I rather get crap done and go do something else with my time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Renvalt View Post
    I would like to add my own input to this:

    People seem to be concerned a lot more with the reward, rather than the journey. I can't even get into a Coil group to learn the whole of Turn 1 from start to finish, mostly because as soon as a select group of people have the shortcut, everyone rallies behind them for easy-peasy loot. This is the exact same argument I had with XI: the content is already losing its value not because of Square Enix's actions, but because the community is so quick to give into their greed, their desire for that shiny piece of endgame pixel, that they ignore the fact that other people are doing Coil for the first time and may not value said "ezmodez" that highly.

    Heck, Coil isn't the ONLY offender of this crime.

    -CM/Prae? Anyone else who's done it will kindly go "skip plz, I need mah tomes and I need em naos, go watch CS later in inn room". Some people LIKE the immersion; if I wanted to simply watch the story without playing the whole dungeon through, I'd go watch a Youtube video.
    -Primals/Ultima? Some people like the challenge, some people have enough time to try the fight after more than one or two wipes. Yet the minute anyone wipes, you guys tend to start a tantrum, whining because "such and such player suxorz, get Allagan gearz and get on mah level", when DPS may or may not be the issue here.

    The one thing I CAN agree on though, is that there's not really any clear path to progression. That's half SE's fault, half the community's fault. SE hasn't really done enough of a job locking certain people out of content they aren't ready for (in addition to not scaling it properly); meanwhile, the community's insistence that you rush your Relic/DL set/CT set/etc. makes for one hell of a shitty endgame. Sure, the gear you get at 50 for your Job is great, but has anyone actually tried to use the common greens for 50s?

    Y'all cry about wanting a challenge and then take the path of least resistance to power - all for what? So you can "lord" over players and tell them how to play the game (or even play it for them)?

    You hypocrites make me sick.
    You sort of make a moot point here. Rewards are always a strong motivating factor in real life, why would that not translate to a game? Maybe some players don't enjoy the journey and only enjoy gaining power. You enjoying the journey is just as valid as another player enjoying the reward. The statement you present is very narrow minded.

    The problem with players like you is that you have some expectations of people to slow down for others. That is a very selfish point of view. When I use DF with random players, I don't expect them to rush on my behalf. I think most reasonable end game raiders share that PoV. None of us queue for Ct thinking it will be fast and smooth run. Most of us are actually surprised when CT goes smoothly and fast. If you group up with random people, you should expect random results. If you join my raid via party finder, you better come prepared and be ready to move fast.

    You should not join random groups or pugs with the mind frame that your way is the right way and that's how content should be done. If you want to raid blindly and take your sweet time, form your own coil group.

    And please, if a kill video makes things so "easy peasy." why do soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many guilds get stuck on T5. Guess a video of the right short cut has not been released yet ^_^
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    Last edited by Licus; 01-28-2014 at 05:00 PM.