patch 2.2 turn 1-5 easier.....

[abzoluut]

It's not about what you can do but about what other people can't do.

It's a question why SE chooses to ease content so early when it could still add to the game. Anyone who knows anything about an MMO knows there will always be a difference. If you you "can't do" certain content, you should try and find out how to do it. Find some friends, join an FC <---- those are MMO skills too: they are called social skills.

When I checked your character, there are no signs of you doing Coil, hence your comment. My point was: are the nerfs necessary when Coil is being nerfed already due to people being close to full i90 gear (myth gear). It could still be impossible because MMO's have lots of people who can't communicate or aren't the perseverance type, so I do understand SE's point of view <---. I'm all for the two modes: normal and hard or w/e it has to be called.

[NRhodes]

Actually plenty of handicapped people do play these games, it's pretty offense to lump a physical disability in with being a small child or a drug addict. Many of them do damn well because frankly these games aren't hard, no matter how much your ego needs to insist they are. Becoming so bitter about a content nerf is far more of a handicap than any of the people you view with such derision have. Seriously, just what is wrong with you?

Read before you go flying off the handle Worm. Grailer didn't "lump" in anything in a negative light. If anything their post was in favor of the nerf that it would be helping this people. As you talk about ego's you allow yours to blind you.

[Worm]

Read before you go flying off the handle Worm. Grailer didn't "lump" in anything in a negative light. If anything their post was in favor of the nerf that it would be helping this people. As you talk about ego's you allow yours to blind you.

You're joking, right? There is absolutely nothing positive about that post at all. It's bitter, negative, and completely delivered through clenched teeth.

It's a question why SE chooses to ease content so early when it could still add to the game. Anyone who knows anything about an MMO knows there will always be a difference. If you you "can't do" certain content, you should try and find out how to do it. Find some friends, join an FC <---- those are MMO skills too: they are called social skills.

When I checked your character, there are no signs of you doing Coil, hence your comment. My point was: are the nerfs necessary when Coil is being nerfed already due to people being close to full i90 gear (myth gear). It could still be impossible because MMO's have lots of people who can't communicate or aren't the perseverance type, so I do understand SE's point of view <---. I'm all for the two modes: normal and hard or w/e it has to be called.

Well I did start this game 3 months after you Game Winner, so yeah I only did Turn 1 and Turn 2 last night after finding a guild I meshed with. I have no idea why you'd try to progression shame someone you have a 3 month lead on but whatever.

Look I don't agree completely with the nerf, but I disagree with people who are mad about the nerf because they feel their work is being invalidated. If the only thing that gives raiding value to you is doing something other people can't do and getting trinkets, then yeah you're probably doing it for the wrong reasons. Splitting it into two modes is just pointless, they did that in World of Warcraft and it has all the same negative impacts of nerfing content, you've got less people who need to go through guilds to raid.

There definitely is a negative impact to nerfing content and not leaving a tiered system in place, but everyone knew this was coming. To see all this screaming about how 'my shinies lost their luster' is just disheartening. I'm willing to wait until we see the nerf, for all we know it could be a very small nerf since the content doesn't seem wildly overtuned or anything like that. Maybe the soft nerf of ilvl 100 gear would have been enough on it's own maybe it wouldn't, but I'm sure not going to scream bloody murder over a nerf that not only was obvious but is basically the industry standard.

[abzoluut]

You have a valid point and the way you point things out indeed makes me think it's for the better. However, I am not "mad" and certainly not playing a game to have all the best gear asap and watch other people struggle. It's the timing of the nerf and the nerf itself. As I said in a previous reply, this will not help people be better players, 'cause that's what I want. Your case is different, but the majority just don't have social/communication skills, know their job or care to actually learn the fight. Yet they complain about the difficulty.

If people fail to see how Coil 1-4 (5 could be adjusted maybe) is really easy with i80+ gear, it's not worth the discussion.

[VargasVermillion]

I'll be happy if they do that echo buff they mentioned at some point. Die too many times and you get the buff but even after that you can turn it off. I think that would be perfect. Don't really like the idea of lowering the enemies or mechanics etc. I can live with it but it's not preferable.

[sheepysheepy]

No lockout
Higher gear available
+Undisclosed battle nerfs

Seems a bit overkill, thats like 3 nerfs all at once

the mind boggles as to how they are going to change turn1+2 though, people already ignore most of caduceus' stacks and bypass ADS only tough skill, how can they be nerfed..
4 is a dps race that a lot of people struggled with for a while but now pugs clear it every day with their new gear

The natural soft nerfs of player+gear progression are working, further intervention is just babysitting

[NRhodes]

You're joking, right? There is absolutely nothing positive about that post at all. It's bitter, negative, and completely delivered through clenched teeth.

No, I'm not. You just jumped straight to negative conclusions when the term "handicapped" was mentioned. Now please stop QQing without justifiable foundation.

[NRhodes]

the mind boggles as to how they are going to change turn1+2 though, people already ignore most of caduceus' stacks and bypass ADS only tough skill, how can they be nerfed..
4 is a dps race that a lot of people struggled with for a while but now pugs clear it every day with their new gear

The natural soft nerfs of player+gear progression are working, further intervention is just babysitting

That is the thing though. It's a happy medium between hardcore and casual players. Content casual players have been struggling with gets nerfed, while hardcore gamers have the chance to view and dissect T6-9 w/ no nerf, no mechanic jostling, etc. The hardcore gamers also get rewarded with better gear, while the casual player is able to find gear they previously were unable to obtain for various reasons.

[Caraway]

My only thought with the potential nerf is I just hope they don't adjust any mechanics. My hope is that the only thing they do is the Echo Buff. That way we can try it as it's intended, and if we keep beating our heads against it and decide we just want to go through it that's there as well.

But when I hear SE saying they're going to adjust something for difficulty, I'm now going to think of the Good King fight, and honestly that's not a bad change. All they did was adjust health and damage a little bit. The mechanics are all there, and that's the important thing.

[ArkhamNative]

Read before you go flying off the handle Worm. _______ didn't "lump" in anything in a negative light.

I suppose the point is moot because the post in question has been moderator-deleted. I don't disagree with Worm's interpretation, but obviously I can't quote the text to show why.