What went wrong? Is it the game or the grenre?

[MikoteAstra]

I created my owen company with my friends be for patch 2.1 and we managed to get few great and nice people, we are total of 22 in the company. Now is only me and 3 other players.


Here are the major reason why they left.

1. We all like to craft, but there is no point the market in our server is crashed, or better to say there is no market.

-You put big effort to gather matirials and craft items but for what, in the end you have to sell them for 35gills or 120gills, this is so demotivating and waste of time. One big point of a MMO is the market, to see your hard work how it pays off and with it you may affored something for witch you desire and get it.And instead SE to save the market what do they do....they put NPCs in witch you can buy matirials lvl 30 and above.......siriosly, i spent mounts to develop my charcter and gather matirials so that in the end you put NPCs where all can buy those matirials !!!!!!

2. There is no Open World content.

- This is supposed to be an Open World in witch you can do meany things with your friends and other people. But right now this is a DN World you sit and wait to go in it.
- A lot of people including me, have created Threads or Posts with ideas, witch are great and simple to do for an open world content. No response from the SE team about Open World content.

3.The Housing fiasco. That we are locked from this content in a game for witch we pay 12 euros fee.

-For most of us this is a big deal believe it or not. How to put it the house in the game is for us like the real home, apartment, house in our real world. We wanted to make our homes, craft the things witch we needed gather the matirials, and do all this together.Now we cant do it, and why you aske, because SE cant keep up with the demand of the housing content and they cant handle RMT and Bots in their OWN Game !!!!!!!!!!!


4. The stupid vote kick system !

- The people witch are abusing it are now FAR FAR a lot more then the people witch were AFK-ing back then. And what about the Withdraw madness too.


5. The conection issue witch a lot of us still got when we fight.

- Again we pay you money so that we dont get such problems, like hell i personaly never got such problems in Free to Play MMOs.



Patch 2.2 by the look of it is even worse it brings nothing new excepet more quests, i have enough of more armors and more dns, we got for now planty of them.

[Welsper59]

1. We all like to craft, but there is no point the market in our server is crashed, or better to say there is no market.

-You put big effort to gather matirials and craft items but for what, in the end you have to sell them for 35gills or 120gills, this is so demotivating and waste of time. One big point of a MMO is the market, to see your hard work how it pays off and with it you may affored something for witch you desire and get it.And instead SE to save the market what do they do....they put NPCs in witch you can buy matirials lvl 30 and above.......siriosly, i spent mounts to develop my charcter and gather matirials so that in the end you put NPCs where all can buy those matirials !!!!!!

2. There is no Open World content.

- This is supposed to be an Open World in witch you can do meany things with your friends and other people. But right now this is a DN World you sit and wait to go in it.
- A lot of people including me, have created Threads or Posts with ideas, witch are great and simple to do for an open world content. No response from the SE team about Open World content.

3.The Housing fiasco. That we are locked from this content in a game for witch we pay 12 euros fee.

-For most of us this is a big deal believe it or not. How to put it the house in the game is for us like the real home, apartment, house in our real world. We wanted to make our homes, craft the things witch we needed gather the matirials, and do all this together.Now we cant do it, and why you aske, because SE cant keep up with the demand of the housing content and they cant handle RMT and Bots in their OWN Game !!!!!!!!!!!


4. The stupid vote kick system !

- The people witch are abusing it are now FAR FAR a lot more then the people witch were AFK-ing back then. And what about the Withdraw madness too.


5. The conection issue witch a lot of us still got when we fight.

- Again we pay you money so that we dont get such problems, like hell i personaly never got such problems in Free to Play MMOs.

1) Extremely exaggerated. It doesn't matter what server you're on, there is a market. You just won't make millions from a single piece of crafted gear. You will however find a steady stream of income (anywhere from 1-20k or more per sale) for crafted or gathering mats if you know what to make. Just like RL, making gil in this games economy is not a matter of "I reached max level so I should get a billion gil for nothing", you need to find what sells. Stock and demand. It requires a marginal level of thought.

2) Agreed. Open world content is severely lacking in this game. Content creators need to understand that "content" does not just mean something for endgame purpose.

3) Wrong perspective. You, and sooooooo many others, are looking at FC housing as personal housing. It's a group effort. If I had at least 10 other people making gil at the rate I do when I try to, I guarantee that I could afford a medium FC house relatively quick (within 1-2 months of ~10hrs a week of playtime). FC houses are long term goals for A GROUP OF PLAYERS, not an individual player. If your FC has 50 people actively playing, but no one is contributing except only 5 people (that are putting in below average effort in getting a medium/large house), you're gonna be spending quite a long time getting there.

4) Agreed, but it's the players you need to blame on that. SE could shutdown the entire game and blame it on the playerbase for abusing things that shouldn't be abused. They would be 100% correct about it too. They're just not that irrational, thankfully.

5) Connection issues are indeed a fault on their end, in most cases. They didn't plan for so many people to be playing. As a result, they only prepared servers to handle what seems to be less than 50k players worldwide. I recently upgraded my connection speed and I no longer have any lag problems. I honestly despise the monopolization by American ISPs but they're the only real option available to us currently.

[MikoteAstra]

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Nobody in this game can expect to make millions from sales, and this is because how SE made it for now. Here are my points.

- Why the hell we cant trade Primal Weapons. Instead of making the primals easier every patch keep them at same lvl and allow us to trade them, they will be rare hard to get and indeed will cost you millions to buy them.

- Why we cant trade the armors from dn. People have hard time to get the entire sets and a lot of them will pay for surtain pieces. Again stupid decision from SE.

- I dont know by you in your server but this 12k sale you speak of is fairy tale story by me.... most expencive items go from 1k-3k and the prices go dowen by every day. Not to mention nobody buys. And when you put something for sale after 1h you will see that 20 more people have put it but for a lot cheaper then you.

- SE put more NPCs from witch people will buy matirials crafted and gathering once, armors people dont buy them, because they can get them from npc too.

- Be for patch 2.1 the markets maybe were bad but now simply we dont have eany. So good luck making money, and if you think is ok to sell your crafted matirials witch you spend hours to gather and make them, for like 80-40 gills i would say simply wow. Ive playied enough MMOs and i really like crafting and i can tell you such economy like in FF14 in no other game exists, simply because in FF14 there is no economy, and all this is because of SE decisions.


About the FC Housing.

- We never looked at it as personal one. We spend months of getting gill for the Houses we developed our crafted classes gahtered matirals etc. for the patch 2.1.

- And what happned, they destroied the market the one thing from witch we had stady income and put Imposable prices for housing. And all this why.... because they cant deal with RMT and the demand of fro the content in their OWN game, in their OWN game !!!!!!

- We never expected to get the midium or high wealth houses from day one. Simply because we are small company and we are casual palyers, and we dont have 12h day to play the game.

- But when your income comes only from grinding same dns every day, in witch you will get trolled or kicked or you have to wait like me 1h30min to go in, tell me how meany people can you ask to do this and then give the money for the housing, how meany of them will do it and have fun.....almsot 0 !

- And yeah i know treasure hunting then again is same story as the dn.


And about the voting actualy is SE to be blamed

1. Because they didnt set rules for the voting and didnt put them on the webside.

2. SE didnt ask the players , where we could vote if we want it or not. I can tell you a lot a lot of players were against the system, because they knew it would be abused a lot.

[Zanfire]

Patch 2.2 by the look of it is even worse it brings nothing new excepet more quests, i have enough of more armors and more dns, we got for now planty of them.

i made a joke about this in "that thread that got deleted". Basically i said im a future seer and we will have a dungeon layout that will go: trash mobs > boss1 > trash mobs >boss2 >trash mobs > boss3 = end (dropping gear weaker then we have already). Then i mentioned levi will be in a small circle arena with a "nails" mechanic, plenty of dodging and will drop weapons weaker than we already have...we will later have an XTREME! mode with accessorys. Likely a few quests we will blow right through in a weekend afternoon (only the hildabrand will be worth the story) and more of the same being added on to what we already have....thats about the most of it.

If you expect more than that your expectations are too damn high for a mediocre MMO. And if what im saying is pretty much right on...my money every month will go back in my pocket along with a few RL friends.