So apparently FFXIV-App is banworthy now?

[TitanACU]

FFXIV App becomes ban worthy when used against players. For instance, i see this all the time. "Sorry (player name here) you had the lowest DPS and we failed." *kicked from party* This is a form of harassment. Thats why ppl get banned for parsing. If used to better your own DPS or to help someone then it isn't harassment or breaking the game in any way. I used the app to help me figure out my monk rotation. I got it up to 289 DPS(i70 MNK) on a training dummy after a few hours but i wouldn't have been able to do that even in a few days w/o the parser. (I like to learn on my own rather than watch videos.) So my rotation is from scratch, by me. Going to try again when i get to i90 to see how far above 300 i can go. betting 330 at least...) Unfortunately, the only end game bosses i can get that on are chimera and hydra assuming they dont move to cast circles on themselves....Looking at you hydra!

Anyway, this is an example of what the APP should be used for. Not as a tool to kick the weakest link. Keep in mind that kicking is reportable and should be used sparingly. Too many reports and you get banned...

[KyrsIsley]

FFXIV App becomes ban worthy when used against players. For instance, i see this all the time. "Sorry (player name here) you had the lowest DPS and we failed." *kicked from party* This is a form of harassment. Thats why ppl get banned for parsing. If used to better your own DPS or to help someone then it isn't harassment or breaking the game in any way. I used the app to help me figure out my monk rotation. I got it up to 289 DPS(i70 MNK) on a training dummy after a few hours but i wouldn't have been able to do that even in a few days w/o the parser. (I like to learn on my own rather than watch videos.) So my rotation is from scratch, by me. Going to try again when i get to i90 to see how far above 300 i can go. betting 330 at least...) Unfortunately, the only end game bosses i can get that on are chimera and hydra assuming they dont move to cast circles on themselves....Looking at you hydra!

Anyway, this is an example of what the APP should be used for. Not as a tool to kick the weakest link. Keep in mind that kicking is reportable and should be used sparingly. Too many reports and you get banned...

I understand where you are coming from and agree that if a player uses a parse as weapon/ammunition to attack another player. The instigator should be warned/banned for his action. But where I disagree is that the punishment should be issued for attacking another player regardless of whether a parser or parse result is in place or not.

[TitanACU]

I understand where you are coming from and agree that if a player uses a parse as weapon/ammunition to attack another player. The instigator should be warned/banned for his action. But where I disagree is that the punishment should be issued for attacking another player regardless of whether a parser or parse result is in place or not.

That's exactly why they get banned. Using the parser however, shows SE how you came to your conclusion to kick them. You can get banned for simply kicking a single person who was trolling and all they have to do is report you and lie(to further the trolling). It may not be banned for long after you send a rebuttal, but none the less, your account can be banned. just depends on whos desk the report goes across and how shitty their day has been.

[KyrsIsley]

That's exactly why they get banned. Using the parser however, shows SE how you came to your conclusion to kick them. You can get banned for simply kicking a single person who was trolling and all they have to do is report you and lie(to further the trolling). It may not be banned for long after you send a rebuttal, but none the less, your account can be banned. just depends on whos desk the report goes across and how shitty their day has been.

Well no one was banned in this case, but a warning was issued.

If you take a look at the conversation screenshot here. You can clearly tell that the GM is fishing for the said person to admit the usage of "app". When the person denied and said he simply repeated something someone said on the voice chat. The GM proceed to question the person's statement and said "As this sort of thing is a severe violation, but you seemed to be unaware of such, I will be issuing a warning to your account". The entire conversation is focused on the usage of said "app" and when the person denied using it, a warning was issued for mentioning for mentioning it in chat. This is clear since the GM specifically stated "Well, be that as it may. Parsing is a function relegated to third-party software. Use and advocation of third-party software is a serious problem...etc".

If the person did indeed verbally abused another player for having low DPS, which was never investigated throughout the entire conversation. The warning was probably well deserved. What I am trying to say was, an warning should be issued if verbal abuse did indeed happen regardless of the involvement of a third-party software or not. To me, the investigation was clearly on the usage of third-party software.

[KoujiMoreno]

Well no one was banned in this case, but a warning was issued.

If you take a look at the conversation screenshot here. Stuff.

GM didnt seem to give two poops about player abuse, but just about getting the player to say he used the app.

[TitanACU]

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Well I'll admit i couldnt view the screen shot at work, but keep in mind that some GMs are hired on each server. These could be random ppl with personal issues with parsers, bots etc. Also the GM could have been new as well. 3rd party software is against the EULA IF it tampers with memory, gameplay, etc. Since the FFXIV APP only reads the logs, this is not a violation. Even Yoshii-P gave the ok for the developer of FFXIV APP to make the software. It's possible that the GM didn't understand or care to read the EULA either, since it is mind numbingly long and boring. The Op could try and fight that if he wanted to.

[Zarzak]

FFXIV App becomes ban worthy when used against players. For instance, i see this all the time. "Sorry (player name here) you had the lowest DPS and we failed." *kicked from party* This is a form of harassment. Thats why ppl get banned for parsing.

While I am all for trying to help someone better themselves first.

If you think end game content would ever be beaten without survival of the fittest your kidding yourself. If your the lowest by some significant margin your hindering your team and need to figure out why and work to fix it or step out and allow them to find someone who can do the job.

If your the lowest because your all doing within 10% dps of each other that is a totally different story but someone doing half the dps of everyone else is never going to get you through properly tuned content.

Same applies to the healer who burns his mana wildly or doesn't manage his healing aggro properly. Is using their lack of mana in comparison to the 2nd healer as proof of them being inefficient at their job a bannable offense too?

Or the tank who doesn't keep mobs from destroying the rest of the group?

In progression content everyone has a job. You need to do yours or allow your team to find someone who will. Is there another metric you would like dps to be gauged by? Should we all go to T4 of BC and each dps solo down a spider and kick the one who kills theirs last?

I've never had to replace a dps in my FC because thankfully SE didn't follow suit of WoW and its like and make events where 1 dps being anything less than perfect invokes the enrage gods. But I can tell you they are doing their job as a group and none of them are being carried.