Can people slow down for newer players?

[Lucke]

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I agree with you. People should not enter DF/DR expecting a speed run. However, Party finder can help both groups. If you wanna do a speedrun, say "This is a speed run" when using the PF. This way, potential members know before even going in that it's a speed-run and you should probably know what to do.

But the Party finder can help first-timers as well. "This is a story run. We watch cutscenes and won't do a speed-run", lets Speedrunners know that they probably shouldn't join that party when they wanna finish ASAP. When you use DR/DR who knows what type of people you'll get. Could be speedrunners, could be first timers, could be a mix of both. Don't automatically assume you'll find 4-7 other speedrunners that think like you when you fire up the DF/DR.

[warren-ragnarok]

the problem isnt as simple as that, but you can thank SE for it. people only queue for pretorium and castrum because its part of the duty finder roulette, and nets people 300 philosophy tomes for doing it, and people treating a game like another job, just want to hurry and get it over with.........and yes, most people only enter to either A. help an FC or LS mate out, or B. for that 300 tomes

the real fix in my opinion, making 2 separate groups the this, one group for slow paced people wanting to enjoy the content, and another for repeat runs

the only other fix for it, removing the bonus tomes from helping people on it, but then you might spend days in queue for it instead..........which trade-off would you prefer?
(no im not defending the people that are telling people speed run or skip cs, yes i try to speed run it myself, but will never tell someone to skip the cs)

[AikoSachi]

First time I ran CM and Praetorium, I got bitched at but I told them "Run ahead if you want but I'm watching this cutscene, I already watched every cutscene all the way here not stopping now."

[TychoCelchu]

I was really annoyed the first time I ran those two dungeons a few months ago when they were being speed run all the time, but on the flip side, it wasn't hard to find a party for it. I know people that waited for a couple of weeks to get a party in between the time ppl stopped speed running those and the time duty roulette was introduced. The one thing I find that I'm able to do for the new players when the rest of the party wants to SR is be extra nice to them and give my commendation to them if they are willing to skip the cutscenes. I still haven't watched CM's cutscenes except the one after the final boss there

[MrDiezel]

When it comes to Main Scenario, it was unfortunate how you are pushed to skip cutscenes and run the dungeon without explanation. Only advice i can give is make a group/party finder and let them know whats up before you all begin.

[Low_Kick]

Have to disagree with most of the ppl posting and the wording from OP is completely absurd about how ppl can only be nice if they wait for the player(s) that are watching the cutscenes. Don't make the players the villians here, it's SE's design flaw that created this situation. They made a daily DR for castrum/prae for 200 bonus myths and some gil, which can only be entered via DF.


It's not the veteran's fault for wanting fast runs through a dungeon they've done 100+times, it's not the new player's fault for wanting to watch all the cs's on their first run, however I think the new player should be the one to cater to the party, not the whole party cater to the new player in DF. New players can create a party from their own server either by /sh, asking friends/fc/ls, or using PF. The ppl that want sr's for dr don't have that option and are forced to use DF, while the new player isn't.

For ppl who think that I'm wrong here's an analogy for you. Picture a 20 mile stretch of road that 8 ppl are driving on. The driver in front is a student driver and it's their first time, while the other 7 behind have been driving for years. The speed limit is 50mph, while the student driver is driving 40mph. Is it a problem if the other drivers honk their horns/flash headlights to make the driver in front either speed up, or pull over so they can pass? Or should they stay behind the student driver for those 20 miles going 10mph under the speed limit...

[Niwashi]

It's not the veteran's fault for wanting fast runs through a dungeon they've done 100+times, it's not the new player's fault for wanting to watch all the cs's on their first run

There's an inherent difference between those two things. The veteran's goal is the myth tomes (or other rewards depending on the dungeon). Getting them quickly is simply a playstyle preference, not the goal itself. The newcomer's goal is to see the story unfold.

Whenever you're playing with a group, your foremost concern is to make sure everybody in that group is able to meet the goal which he/she is there for. If the newcomer is able to see the full story, and the veterans are able to get their rewards, then everyone's needs have been met. Any other result is a failure.

[seraseth]

There's an inherent difference between those two things. The veteran's goal is the myth tomes (or other rewards depending on the dungeon). Getting them quickly is simply a playstyle preference, not the goal itself. The newcomer's goal is to see the story unfold.

You could just as easily say the newcomer's goal is to complete the content for the first time, and seeing the cutscenes then instead of later is a preference.

[Niwashi]

You could just as easily say the newcomer's goal is to complete the content for the first time, and seeing the cutscenes then instead of later is a preference.

Certainly there are some newcomers who don't care about the story, and for them, you'd be right. They aren't there for the story. They're just there to unlock the next quest so they can advance to later parts of the game. But we weren't discussing them. We were discussing a scenario where there are veteran players who are there just for the myth tomes and a new player who's there to see the story.

Developing a good storyline is one of Square Enix's strengths, and it's what draws a lot of people to their games. If you're with a player who is there to see the story unfold, then no, whether to see it then instead of later isn't just a preference except in the fact that they could quit and do the dungeon later instead, when they should hopefully get a more considerate group of players who will let them experience it. (By the same token, you could quit and forego your myth reward. You'd still be able to get other myth tomes later, during another run.)

But for a player who wants to see the story unfold, they're eventually going to need to get a full proper run of the dungeon in which they're given the chance to see the entire thing. Without that the story never will unfold for them, which wreaks the entire point of the game.

[seraseth]

For me it's a matter of numbers. If 7 ppl have done the dungeon dozens of times and just want to get through it quickly and 1 person wants to watch, it's kinda selfish for 1 person to hold back 7. And the fact that a person completes it for the first time once, vs running it for tomes faaaar more times, it makes far more sense that they should build a like minded party using pf if they want the whole slow story mode.