2.15 PvP changes

[TaneshimaPopura]

@Alhanelem

SMN problem wasn't cause of Miasma 2 Heavy. Miasma 2 Heavy was more crucial for SCH than SMN. SMN's main QQ was because of Triple CD, Enkindle followed by an array of Instant off-GCD attacks with on-GCD attacks. SMN will still have it's offensive strength.

At any rate if you let the BLM stalemate pass your first Purify DR. You are destined to lose no question about that. It is time you start looking as to why you need to cast and depend on Miasma 2 Heavy to do damage, sure it is harder for you to dodge incoming melees now. But in the first place SMNs forte was "The best defense is a dead opponent right off the bat"

[LateRegi]

But in the first place SMNs forte was "The best defense is a dead opponent right off the bat"

This should pretty much be the mindset of anyone who wants to learn SMN right now. Perfectly phrased.

[teasea]

The ressurection change was completely unnecessary. You revive with so little HP 1 hit from anything can kill you. I really don't get why people were crying about this.

With these changes, limiting teams to 1 caster/ranged means any team with a summoner is almost sure to lose now, since SMN has drastically reduced crowd control, while BLM is still sitting pretty with its 30 second sleeps.

Fortunately as a summoner, you bring enough to the table to be considered for most team compositions still. Especially if that team includes a white mage. If summoners kept the only res available to the damage slot, there would remain no reason to bring anything else in its slot. I would understand more if you were a bard complaining about these changes since the only advantage a bard brings over a summoner/black mage is its damage and... mobility?

[LateRegi]

I think we're still operating under the assumption that SMNs actually know that they should be burst chasing a target, when in fact I can count on literally one hand the names of how many SMNs in the Primal data center actually know how to do this effectively. Swear to god if I see another SMN from Hyperion opening the match with a DOT I'm sending you instructional videos after the match is over.

[Alhanelem]

Joking? SMN are still in a great place, I'm actually excited about these changes because I feel like I just got away with murder.

Not joking. The healing reduction + no heavy + no res means smn is almost completely stripped of utility, all you really have is tri-disaster now, and not many people even take advantage of that.

Who would you rather have? a SMN no longer able to slow targets, or a BLM who still has 30 second sleep?

They have yet to address Summoner's burst/pet damage and Fairy Healing

SMN doesn't have huge burst, so I don't know why people keep saying this. Hell, in PvE I get a lot of shit trying to join coil groups because they say smn has terrible burst, which only increases in PvP at all because of the 2 attack PvP skills.

-enkindle usually takes several seconds to use (since it's no good without the 2 pet buffs which each take up a few seconds, and the pet is usually pretty slow to activate its skill) so it's difficult to use in combination with your other skills to burst.
-the reduction in healing debuff, while expected, also means that healers will be able to counter-heal the SMN much more easily.
-Other classes, especially MRD, in my opinion can take burst to a higher level. Buffed up butcher blocks are crazy, they can kill me before I know what hit me. a skilled BRD can also deal pretty rapid damage. I can not 2-3 shot anybody even with lucky crits; other classes can.

Swear to god if I see another SMN from Hyperion opening the match with a DOT I'm sending you instructional videos after the match is over.

Well, I can guarantee you'll see less of this, especially since the only dot with immediate value tactically was Miasma, which has been nerfed into the ground. I expect you'll see more tri disaster's

If summoners kept the only res available to the damage slot, there would remain no reason to bring anything else in its slot.

I disagree, because anyone with any attention span whatsoever can easily counter SMN's ressurect, leaving you still down a man and out a huge amount of MP.

Seriously. 1 well timed hit from almost anything will take out somebody raised by a SMN (while SCH/WHM have the ability to revive players with much more HP/MP/TP). This was NOT OP.

Because SMN DPS was not directly nerfed, they are still viable from a purely DPS standpoint, so I'm not extremely upset, but I really expect to see a lot of "oh great, we have a SMN on our team, we lose" from here.

[Deca]

Who would you rather have? a SMN no longer able to slow targets, or a BLM who still has 30 second sleep?

SMN doesn't have huge burst, so I don't know why people keep saying this.

1. Both are great, SMN better for offensive pressure. BLM better for defensive pressure.

2. SMN burst is absurd, people keep saying it because they've 1. Been deleted by a SMN 2. Are a SMN who deletes people.

[TaneshimaPopura]

Also I think we need to start looking at Elemental Resistance. Currently with +16 Wind resistance ( 286 Wind Resist Total ) + Morale 220, my last ilvl 90 Enkindle crit received was only 847. Now pondering as to slot my 5th Meld slots with Wind IV instead, after all succeeding chances are only 3-6%. +52 Resistance which could completely nullify SMN's Garuda's efficiency.

@Alhanelem

I don't care if you say Coil doesn't have shit for damage or burst it is all down to player skill. Profile me now, I wore that particular gear and out DPS-ed (By a 20% Margin) a full BiS BLM in CT and in Turn 1 - 4. It all comes down whether you know how to grasp opportunities, understanding your class, and most importantly understand other people's class. I don't give a rat shit to use Purify on CC/Holmgang, but if I see a 90 MRD uses Full Swing on me I'd definitely purify that shit first as BLM.

And in case you didn't know if you do not use any skill and just run around after being Raised you have a full 5 seconds of invulnerability. Enough for a Fairy to pump you up back to 60% HP, problem is most people who get raised immediately uses a skill or Sprints (WTF would you do that with 0 TP upon ress?) and forfeit the 5s invulnerability. Tri-disaster is in the same position as Freeze for BLM. Not many people use them, but at least thank your freaking stars your CC has a shorter cast longer duration same radius and is not Ground targeted.

[Alhanelem]

1. Both are great, SMN better for offensive pressure. BLM better for defensive pressure.

2. SMN burst is absurd, people keep saying it because they've 1. Been deleted by a SMN 2. Are a SMN who deletes people.

I'm sorry, I don't see it. I get wrecked far more easily by other classes than I do by another SMN. The job pressures healers by spreading a lot of damage around to other targets, forcing them to heal different people. Single target burst is not substantially greater than what other classes can put out. Getting 2-3 shotted by a melee proves that more than easily enough. SMN can't kill anything in 2 or 3 hits.

Also I think we need to start looking at Elemental Resistance. Currently with +16 Wind resistance ( 286 Wind Resist Total ) + Morale 220, my last ilvl 90 Enkindle crit received was only 847. Now pondering as to slot my 5th Meld slots with Wind IV instead, after all succeeding chances are only 3-6%. +52 Resistance which could completely nullify SMN's Garuda's efficiency.

You would need all 3 resistances. People can just use ifrit or titan if they know you're using wind resistance, for instance. Ifrit used to be used quite a bit, but now that SMN can't inflict heavy I imagine the melee pets usage will decrease (even though I find garuda annoying because she get's LOS blocked all the time)

[Edenlys]

It's pretty unfair to nerf heavy for Scholar.
New matchmaking will be great when marauder will be considered as dps class.
Btw I was very impressive when I saw bad players become "skilled player" with rank30 gear.
About amazing waiting queue, I guess that bonus exp won't be useful

[Alhanelem]

It's pretty unfair to nerf heavy for Scholar.
New matchmaking will be great when marauder will be considered as dps class.
Btw I was very impressive when I saw bad players become "skilled player" with rank30 gear.
About amazing waiting queue, I guess that bonus exp won't be useful

I agree about the SCH thing, but in their defense, SCH has been far better than WHM in my opinion. Even though SCH can of course still ressurect, they may have lost more from this change than SMN did.