The Horrors of DF & PT and a request for changes SE

[Diadumenos]

The "unofficial" server? The choice is clear where people are going to play on a "lag and die" driven game. I know most Americans don't know this but, there are other countries that speak English, like Australia, whose nearest data center is in Japan. SE has never advertise any server as anything but a regional server, not a language server. No one is playing on Masamune "unofficially". In fact when this was 1.0 all servers were in Japan and Masamune was full of EN players. When the split came SE did not tell people "if you don't speak Japanese don't use Japan Data centers", we were to use the ones that were closer to our homes. So please stop with the "It's your fault for playing on a Japan server, even though you live there/near there."

^ this person gets it!

Or the learn Japanese language... if your going to play on Japanese server.

^ this person (along with many others) does not...

[gadenp]

Well, while SE cannot force people to change their habits.

But there are a few things they can do, as mentioned many times over.
1. Set a timer debuff for anyone removed for AFK.
2. Investigate, punish and make large announcements and examples of people that keep on kicking people "without good cause". Make it a reportable offense. Make punishment suitability harsh. This will scare many not to do it. Basically make loud examples.
3. Improve and update their translator system. Making it more convenient and easy to use. Update it for new content please. FYI, Soaring Wind and other new skills are lacking from translator or not accessible.
4. SE should make an official stand again, such segregation by language. Announcement they going to do something.... (let better minds then me actually figure out what to do)
5. Merge high English population SE servers to same datacenter. Or better yet, designate a single world for English players and let us move there.

There are many things that can be done... Just that SE has not done anything. Also I find it funny that as a consumer, other consumers feel that I need to tell a bunch of highly intelligent designers, programmers, etc, how to fix stuff. Especially since it has be told to them many times before.

[gadenp]

Another thread, talking about DF: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-has-withdrawn...

Tell me that DF is working well ...

[Duuude007]

Tell me that DF is working well ...

DF is working well.

The statistical outliers are not the norm.

And those who are exploiting "in progress" are being managed with additional tweaks to the working system. Namely, they are making the knowledge of 'how far in progress' more vague.

[Mogi]

So there's a other thread about DF yet you made this one? and yes it is working well for me so :P sorry it's not for you

[gadenp]

So there's a other thread about DF yet you made this one? and yes it is working well for me so :P sorry it's not for you

Might I ask, did you actually read any or both of the threads?

I am talking about DF and the long queue times and people leaving and segregation due to languages.

The other thread is talking about Join in Progress exploit.

How are they the same? So is there a relevant purpose to your post?

[Duuude007]

I am talking about DF and the long queue times

Pick a job in high demand, like healer or tank. Or form your own party and pick something in DF together. Case closed.

and people leaving and segregation due to languages.

Filtered based on language preference, not segregated... Segregated due to data center affiliation, which is largely based on chosen region.

[gadenp]

Pick a job in high demand, like healer or tank. Or form your own party and pick something in DF together. Case closed.

Dear Sir,
My main is WHM (as shown), my alt is a PLD. Eng only queues can be 30+ minutes for these classes. Imagine DPS...

That also does not change the factor, that once in. Someone will rage quit after a few tries. Less then 15 minutes of game time. After which I get to queue 30+ minutes again.

I can join JP parties, for shorter times in DF. Except some JP kick you for being Gaijin. And JP rage quit even faster.

Then there is PF and the JP only parties that make up 90% of parties. I can start my own party, but JP will not join. Again, wait 30+ to 1 hour+. Go duty, 30 minutes ~ 15 minutes later someone rage quits (usually tank).

So does not solve anything.

The only real solution is SE actually fixing all the exploits currently out there and debuff people that like to select their groups/rage quit. There is really no solution one can do by ourselves as consumer. If there is, it will not be that big an issue.

[juniglee]

I truly sympathize with your experience. In fact, coming from one of the said "unofficial" English speaking JP server playerbase, I have had nothing but pleasant experiences with Japanese players. Most of the source of my headache actually comes from the English players.

I only wish I were able to speak Japanese. My knowledge of Japanese is very limited, but I usually get by with a combination of Google Translate to find the equivalent of phrases, then join those phrases using my limited knowledge to make it seem somewhat intelligible.

In fact, I find that EN players rage quit faster than JP players. If there's a wipe, JP players will sit outside the boss room for a few minutes discussing a strategy. I was once in a Japanese party at Pharos Sirius, explaining to the healer how to handle Siren. Though we wiped for 70 minutes, and were eventually unable to clear it, but I did feel that I was helping them progress and learn the fight. I don't feel such satisfaction from playing with EN players, who rage and shift blame onto others. For example, I once told a tank to use Flash to hold aggro on other mobs, but he told me he should not need to use Flash and that I should be using Repose instead (I was playing WHM).

The best option would be an FC/LS with actual helpful people. I am blessed that I'm in a couple of linkshells with responsive players, who are more about helping friends and having fun, than progressing, complaining about wiping, complaining about people playing badly, etc. Ultimately, you have to try and find the right people, and stick with them.

[Mogi]

Fine let me ask you something why are you in a JPN server? if you don't understand the
Japanese language? what are you expecting? them to work with someone who can't talk back? If you ever played a all JPN game {trust me i have} like say monster hunter you will learn something very fast and that's japanese players tend to be very hard core and at times all most act like bots they hate to lose and play fast if you don't like them quitting and what not then why are you there? why not just play in an ENG server?